From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x232.google.com (mail-wm0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1868A3B2A3 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 17:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x232.google.com with SMTP id r190so17045491wme.1 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:32:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vxSJvbP5Fu1XoKRVwj3wuK3mINC/a19mLfIeMYalZB8=; b=C1NosiwUTwAz28uGkIhqzmRh/t8AAhML+wiKbk59WFc5XMuhkFaKtKo6d/TxlIZDMt MzJe/HBxNNBy6uNVP3JBd5bBY1w00zwnnjfGdtX3hLFMXj9QgY8qmKCb9ZSsz0YQYq+5 fA85vYiGTt7N75K2/YEIf005jVjxL1BchGL+ED6LlI/K9+lGCxseOniQgsNdImK70VKz btGwlkZZFrJlhqzcoZYFHI+A/wP9Bn2O8qo/iOhPK4QS+oD1RKbviAnc0zdJQnRkoPOR 3/xeNsyUqhf03r0HZXVVFoU/wovCD47Eu78RuUOiLvzY9AO5VNSpiOqhrLtSeRyrPJ9U hKeA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vxSJvbP5Fu1XoKRVwj3wuK3mINC/a19mLfIeMYalZB8=; b=EHE3Py6F5nGzGVX5Aa69J7fh1SALWqO1Y0Bdm6JbCmiYtl0GFPZyl8aafn5OQbTVlB ZlaLSepXzFS/Asq+H4CABLQGPFm8f/tdbpDiX5bgfMo+luL69NfOqRB5HZJRvrc7XJkK HZPXUUR9eu+oEQ57JmuH4fivD4BmsrneMJqj2cJVHLAmyckoJqGkuQ7YI2JIoakwTCfo RGrTjhiIZDy5OdxlWDLU+ssJOjfTbIfAT0nlpxaXr6BblS4o6jXHAnayeoM1mwMNo+s9 q04rWstVc2PD0gygIh7yb+b0c979Wa/q6hGTdk88yHllj5FN2JZgQCoQQ1UjMjT69LT9 POcg== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/685j9sA+49BeS3vQp9itdTuKi5aLO9pwIUbpYhG7xe1X9LQpwY tRJrlLCIZZPVyA== X-Received: by 10.28.7.137 with SMTP id 131mr3082103wmh.49.1493155963133; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (185.182.7.51.dyn.plus.net. [51.7.182.185]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z31sm18906780wrb.41.2017.04.25.14.32.41 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:32:42 -0700 (PDT) To: Dendari Marini , Jonathan Morton Cc: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <0BA3EE91-C5BC-4155-9D5D-D15D34490A1A@gmx.de> <00DDAA0B-7D99-489B-BA2D-1F20289409B3@gmx.de> <2FFBF256-2932-4FC7-AD1F-0D7CEE111809@gmx.de> <3fbfd0ee-7b41-0f83-8b44-ce7eed6a0562@gmail.com> <09DB0D8E-F63C-4126-8608-9EACDE99D2F1@gmail.com> From: Andy Furniss Message-ID: <27355009-9a16-10dd-3925-0420008a1bf1@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 22:32:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:54.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/54.0 SeaMonkey/2.51a2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Cake] Getting Cake to work better with Steam and similar applications X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 21:32:44 -0000 Dendari Marini wrote: > On 25 April 2017 at 21:10, Jonathan Morton > wrote: > >> >> You may see some improvement from wholesale reducing the inbound >> bandwidth, to say 10Mbit. This is especially true given the high >> asymmetry of your connection, which might require dropped acks >> upstream to keep filled downstream - and dropped acks will tend to >> increase burstiness of sending on unpaced senders. >> >> You should also try to ensure ECN is fully enabled on your LAN >> hosts, especially the ones running Steam. This will help to >> reduce retransmissions and loss-recovery cycles. >> >> - Jonathan Morton >> >> > Well, the only improvement I've seen when limiting the bandwidth with > Steam has been at lower than 1Mbps, don't think I want to go that > far. In all honesty I wouldn't limit it to 10Mbit either, with the > overhead it means half of my total bandwidth, not a trade-off I'm > willing to do. That is strange, if you are running the ping tests from the same PC maybe there is something strange going on with windows. > > Still, the issue is real and it seems Steam is the only application I > can reproduce it. I've seen reports about Battle.net and Windows > Updates doing the same thing (because they should open multiple > concurrent connections), but I can't reproduce it, at least not in > the way Steam does. > > Anyway I'm gonna take a "pause" from all of this, I've wasted the > last three weeks ago just for trying resolving it but unfortunately > still nothing. Thanks all for your help, if there's any news I'll > report it here. >