From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x22b.google.com (mail-lf0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B6A33B29E for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 16:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id t2-v6so1497121lfd.6 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 13:35:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Z6VOR7uaH65MpwsVr4vf8ppHLbfF3zCEbvAPaS4pL7M=; b=iIRf2vd9qPp/QjNgB5jNVRj+xNRIxjlK1TiiXON7RB0+7SWgwsJJWXbKB/fyeCCBVn JLyWyFEHim+rolSxzv3+g7zSAg6cxj4he2Ohgf4WCijNc6Z9H/UmLqnKZ5zg9AN8E3w5 yRShUu22vzEKDyds6xZA2mkEC6W91UJrtRN0tQaF25kRD+nvCtxYOV8fUhwnor97oiYm 31J4DTmCWTQR5GRR/fItRQWV7tOg2MclYxCGJOBl4vXhTIxcnulro09Etc6wva08jDiU jUk5pYcgpjDX2xEjzgrAImL5inPIdCo9/yQ/gp5I7WRDmGjY+z2hAsJF9+4f+EyHfV23 cA7g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Z6VOR7uaH65MpwsVr4vf8ppHLbfF3zCEbvAPaS4pL7M=; b=mTsy1N9Nc7Q6WdJn4Ew9HVupWl/LY4wb7nxp4bCh5IygIfEoMZkofQidOI967WUa8p luR+Da2D+lYoOBrJTCZCl5ymcOG4q+z3S005b5L+Orl+xlbBA5T9nNDEtlPdk9XdkXhi J1w6DLyC/St//ngEST4UwdPvTXLsz0Es6ABGmeQXR0AnfzZbBMMGjViLSRUyM5nZQEh6 EfISw3QkhWr4SgsHi4/2EZ25h7xMYTz9JCuFC/65RH2Nci8v8ShkjtPf1/6uS6oZOTuF gBEgCUND2kSd4NwghTn6CzojHkHpRGG9fY8bQ9iuExj2AE+L4IX6br7rEoS9zj9Ayzxg kfrg== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E0EerDWWx3r/QzA7hlLsOTnVRvsA4hIru5THDfh0oLr6eiQQfMa gCiK2rkbRXAjQfD6ul7t1Kw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKKMfr9h8eYYsUgdE3lSBHI0if8atIrIjpWScMOge7O+crDuA2ClQ1wWJ1F5U+1XkU7YV/omFQ== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:5b4a:: with SMTP id p71-v6mr11864059ljb.13.1529440505313; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 13:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.239.103] (83-245-233-202-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.233.202]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k22-v6sm90794lji.14.2018.06.19.13.35.04 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Jun 2018 13:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.4 \(3445.8.2\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <280044CA-F23B-4FF5-83DE-ECCAC05AAA3B@heistp.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 23:35:03 +0300 Cc: Dave Taht , Cake List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <30FC3100-FD44-425F-BA42-ED432F816201@gmail.com> References: <87in6ft81g.fsf@toke.dk> <0FF888EC-4FF0-4AAE-B2B8-79A10B0B5A9E@gmail.com> <877emvt2ij.fsf@toke.dk> <6D5348AC-921E-49D3-B6D0-9CC30874B80D@heistp.net> <1CC8F6F6-94E1-4987-928E-29BDE01787BC@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> <280044CA-F23B-4FF5-83DE-ECCAC05AAA3B@heistp.net> To: Pete Heist X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.8.2) Subject: Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:35:06 -0000 > On 19 Jun, 2018, at 11:14 pm, Pete Heist wrote: >=20 > I don=E2=80=99t think we can do much better than =E2=80=9Cit makes = your Internet faster=E2=80=9D, which is what most people want s/faster/reliable/ It would be really nice to be able to say "go out and buy this box, plug = it in and run through the setup wizard" instead of "go through the = frankly scary process of reflashing your router with OpenWRT". In that = case we might really get some traction. - Jonathan Morton