From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x232.google.com (mail-lf0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C46073B2A0 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2016 14:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x232.google.com with SMTP id s64so40189962lfe.0 for ; Thu, 02 Jun 2016 11:55:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Z+vL8Hv4Kgo260Si+ewWs1SG+Oh/GCgTi8H96Or13sU=; b=MAxfcgsQL7SshwjqQfhlZJ5eDKHpX5poXboDUpPyOTvMQtOjqODs2YyWBR+UwwZ1nC dq+Q42BajZJ2xhmmKZeDfZA4pYaz7WPDwpAo/iduM/UIM7HUbmrjJs1WB6P5o3zJUiwQ EKMXZvS7T6+BdESqQWAn+pv0Zd+2eQY8czZ4n6iEL20BdVtlO655+7Jbsp/zH2NlLWGK 4FZwyKoQh0D/c3B+Le4cZzX5VZborqCbUJwidYX/5+NQZ6bKE2xJw11/YB0u1Umkpnwy za/239zdCZQZfTqkFXhfbrsQN/T2uZ7YxTm5fd+uCENL1cGuQqzLmMN9mibH8wyktT6J kprg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Z+vL8Hv4Kgo260Si+ewWs1SG+Oh/GCgTi8H96Or13sU=; b=At/cVT7bi+YR8Dk+Y+nGrt0BYmooEuPnHH5zDdTOxiOR+1ObzvSy1d5dhpZ1HjnUlj y5+fwQiyCvH+Pz9j1Fo13pRgAGy/LUh4+xVtiV9B5k11KPTyczgb38xzARKhir/CeCPK qKvp4tRl9Zj0vMDjoYznZ4ZY+YT6Ah6CUgRLKwSi2ed4LYlv1EaS4ANCT1Zf2mFsUa7G rY5dcV0J8wm8lDzyrnEWswydS72sZOIgO4XTgYhPzqZUdt/Io+0VN63CA7+oYGFj2fJg yceIfmM6AKoddWi9Hu9gUMvVQEJbYdbHpfbBL8B/hWuzC+nXS2bh4xiJ/eM6+yY7yNEY THJQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLnd7X0DWW1AceXwAU/NSrIPJ2iCxVeoHLq9W/4iUgN3dR8xPn6tEkCJz4NmWChrA== X-Received: by 10.46.33.13 with SMTP id h13mr4088008ljh.39.1464893757327; Thu, 02 Jun 2016 11:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.100.11] (37-33-56-85.bb.dnainternet.fi. [37.33.56.85]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h88sm9992ljh.33.2016.06.02.11.55.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Jun 2016 11:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <0EDA2CBF-E6FF-449F-ACDF-909526CEE140@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 21:55:46 +0300 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= , cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <31D7D84F-3CA9-46C5-AB52-79E3A1CFFCF0@gmail.com> References: <574FFE52.1040501@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> <2A84540D-AA30-4BD0-AF9A-5510EA00B7E8@gmail.com> <87a8j3fyxc.fsf@toke.dk> <6F215C7B-D4B2-484B-B728-61E0B83FF30E@gmx.de> <0EDA2CBF-E6FF-449F-ACDF-909526CEE140@gmx.de> To: moeller0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Cake] cake/tc - removal of atm/ptm/ethernet specific overhead keywords X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 18:55:59 -0000 > On 2 Jun, 2016, at 21:53, moeller0 wrote: >=20 > =E2=80=9Cconservative=E2=80=9D-keyword needs special care in = documentation as it is the only keyword that compounds = per-packet-overhead and specific framing Not true. All of the ATM-specific encapsulation keywords - of which = there are ten others - also force ATM compensation on. This is obvious = in the code. - Jonathan Morton