From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B80C23B29D for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 11:31:36 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1671553895; bh=RGKoH6XT3QT/l3wASpzsWxXIVgEhhM7r1Elko+u62q0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=fpRSNFkcwRKfDKu6zkz1nbFYpPNnn4oBqohGcoa57MLDUENoxk4qxLgGBF1d8UM53 9xFKQjkaAFLtwvRddUFo8pSK/HRT670nYsDwkuH5FfDwRcFmBiKwL4S/Y5MwHyIuV0 mtcrCLfxWyX3kKOfJs0es6tcaEeoeEw8bTsCIn/cVSZpjyuaFGsiHvTUIYpa6HjKsi xcwP6V1RrfNIkZ2e0knrQrj6d745U+ks2TKSLIUD498NtLVbpRqDF1CRJSIKMC1mvT ADJPiVSTjq/tVtC7ctFF5sBRaqj6Y9MmpAQVKhDUEo+FxJKOoKUxpRwrvrJjhdGOS8 HpGX6n7J3lnSg== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M6lpG-1pFwjI3a2g-008LuF; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 17:31:34 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 17:31:32 +0100 From: Sebastian Moeller To: Dave Taht CC: Cake List User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3529CCC9-43EA-441F-8C9C-9C256DAB0E7F@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=----TS9MCP7ZT44CRAPTICCVXYZS4KN1Q9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:sCjZv2uplpKw4j6lgXnJp7YcECogTj7ZrL4R2rLhdaCNeAwMnKY Omghmq4KS9EWSgzt+kojdl24ypeApyYE1o/7FlyXp32qFGqI+aJStXlvrqN/cnE/RAtxaAr WOyVA5g26Jc8IN+qit/tY6HxpYAvkMUvN7t/kyQHtRFLjG4Rvdp8N7XN62Hoxd7aZpfGNS9 CkbGiqTTtYQdm1gp2mUuA== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:Olxyk8hIbH0=;DXS5SREc1Zc+Ik0am6/O1x0clgh NCLf8QEfN7hFvlAbqD2zOfXWpQ43VZZyQDkZ6wIix8K2sDcp55GH01sEOnPtaERrmeksNiJHP BuALq91zSZ9gB8QMWwc48rVDKtruxwryYpKqz8+R0VH9uY927r2qMASMyAZNWb+WuQhlV+t+R Ee/jLWh5JzrtBratkzjxOiRoDKa8jSl3SxspUofcLCwNuksNghQlVM4ls7PU0LuBWBTO9CV3z Esifa+JNIwuiqAKQ9PlNX4cAeGgW2x+JcMj84szidi7ptoabu/hyVvK8kJYMG/BJg19mqCrqH QCv+NRqmdkkXH8CqZl68yINIGtxhB1x4K5maDw66y2akQDpI0istaCvgt8a1Sih34XRrF60oS gubvhkwanEQxBBzBfr1Fsjmj1gi3iNR+3zGt1aeR9Yai1CQF9UUo4XvExFzv2zXgrKWmgzj8a nC0hA6vd82ClAn9dKp8E1OHW7LRt4HOmkIYq/StKFEh6qfyN/wcmdffa9xadh5Dg7RTriHdPy GJ0cYm0qrBd9C/MQrPiX3quIOkQ93nV+IcPpA7O9NPNZVMIOAR6g3OdnAhWcSnPmH2EoEHcOo yDga6L8OO5MYiF5YZQ+cJpdVo3V/g9/3bIxh39JgubZ8+N8agw0I9FrCHNzyM1Tp5s9xihigw hIyA49I3TNyqexFWFjQhTKsWeYCwwfPCpatsxAA8RguE+qlbcX+nUEZtBuM9nZdAbSMsB+/B+ vaWCmdYehlZJoJg/hRgK8PtCedyWxDWoWCMVv7xnkQpw4WpRuneUkgY/DDcwQ2617RV84eMeL Xekz+MBsOHb9Funtf3tv/ID85A8jirj71yOa/3zOfCCUnttzX4xWBTAHaWdXlrzaI1bSL3YhH Mhe/x8c+5dkcp3UJA86B1FphDhxYhx0dOoeNwd3zm/rIzOUCl0aTXON8+gz7I5ZV4azP2yVUT F+rOVuZD5SHdIqZeHYxtTJ5+8uU= Subject: Re: [Cake] AVM seems to be shipping cake X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 16:31:37 -0000 ------TS9MCP7ZT44CRAPTICCVXYZS4KN1Q9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the positive spirit of the season: nice to see DSL entering the cake-party before becomIng obsolete ;) My bigger unanswered question is, did they implement a BQL equivalent for = the DSL modem? My gut feeling is likely not as that part likely is under co= ntrol of maxlinear's SDK=2E On 20 December 2022 17:12:37 CET, Dave Taht wrot= e: >Yay! 260 more countries to go! > >On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 7:46 AM Sebastian Moeller via Cake > wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> just had a look in a recent firmware archive for AVM's fritzbox 7530, a= nd 'strings dsld' (dsld is AVM's single blob "magic binary dsl deamon" that= encapsulates a lot of their value proposition) reveals that they likely ar= e using cake*: >> >> qdisc add dev %s handle 10:0 root cake bandwidth %ukbit besteffort %s %= s dual-dsthost ingress >> qdisc add dev %s handle 10:0 root cake bandwidth %ukbit besteffort over= head %d dual-dsthost ingress >> >> >> I failed to find the matching dual-srchost entry so they might use some= thing else for egress=2E I have no insight whether/how this can be actiated= (not using a fb7530 myself), but at least this is making it out to the unw= ashed masses in Germany=2E=2E=2E (The FB7530 is the "value" box for the mos= t recent DSL variant deployed in Germany, profile 35b vectoring, sold under= the moniker "super-vectoring")=2E >> >> >> *) makes sense some months ago they posted a video promising enhances f= airness for internal users, I was puzzled at the time how they would implem= ent that, but it seems that they did not re-invent the wheel here but went = for >> >> Regards >> Sebastian >> >> P=2ES=2E: To my joy they also seem to diligently set overhead, for thei= r HTB/TBF instances using tc-stab=2E=2E=2E >> _______________________________________________ >> Cake mailing list >> Cake@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet >> https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/listinfo/cake > > > >--=20 >This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: >https://www=2Elinkedin=2Ecom/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-69813= 66665607352320-FXtz >Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------TS9MCP7ZT44CRAPTICCVXYZS4KN1Q9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the positive spirit of the season:
nice to s= ee DSL entering the cake-party before becomIng obsolete ;)

My bigger= unanswered question is, did they implement a BQL equivalent for the DSL mo= dem? My gut feeling is likely not as that part likely is under control of m= axlinear's SDK=2E


On 20 December 2022= 17:12:37 CET, Dave Taht <dave=2Etaht@gmail=2Ecom> wrote:
Yay! 260 more countries to go!

O=
n Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 7:46 AM Sebastian Moeller via Cake
<cake@lists=
=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet> wrote:

 Dear all,

 just had a look in a recent firmware archi=
ve for AVM's fritzbox 7530, and 'strings dsld' (dsld is AVM's single blob "=
magic binary dsl deamon" that encapsulates a lot of their value proposition=
) reveals that they likely are using cake*:

 qdisc add dev %s handle=
 10:0 root cake bandwidth %ukbit besteffort %s %s dual-dsthost ingress
 =
qdisc add dev %s handle 10:0 root cake bandwidth %ukbit besteffort overhead=
 %d dual-dsthost ingress


 I failed to find the matching dual-src=
host entry so they might use something else for egress=2E I have no insight=
 whether/how this can be actiated (not using a fb7530 myself), but at least=
 this is making it out to the unwashed masses in Germany=2E=2E=2E (The FB75=
30 is the "value" box for the most recent DSL variant deployed in Germany, =
profile 35b vectoring, sold under the moniker "super-vectoring")=2E

=

 *) makes sense some months ago they posted a video promising enhances =
fairness for internal users, I was puzzled at the time how they would imple=
ment that, but it seems that they did not re-invent the wheel here but went=
 for

 Regards
         Sebastian

 P=2ES=2E: To my joy they=
 also seem to diligently set overhead, for their HTB/TBF instances using tc=
-stab=2E=2E=2E
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