From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x244.google.com (mail-lf0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61C643B2A3 for ; Mon, 1 May 2017 09:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x244.google.com with SMTP id 88so13093537lfr.0 for ; Mon, 01 May 2017 06:11:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=NzsZK+223WfOYSYQpmO+XmZpd8J2dg3QlGr1EtJBwVE=; b=VqLw9E7bOU2brKGXnooWVSue+kgiCX3ulz9hW5AsMCOFjXB7wwPPRoNqAvecNMR+8U j0ETowYShZTgU57EGDcSnMz+STuTatqIjYSmfpqUttjkMWZbaaQ9mtlOCj/QxNM+NIvm tSQR4rvKPdRfpQeyjjwiTzXBDmBK0ah7gfGhFzL2jeUjCCOv5OWwDkeuCwkgfgwo5JSv c9b2YF46V0Q85XuDZBtg6/pN+dPBfnUZexT1PCkkEd+o54WhRh3Xgh/QP2ojK7NRRUbB JlMOZH4gZJCdaUoLGoLAxeGyD61pxBMaFLUu8vI7V6lW2V1r771vYx9BBxBhsKANicmx LaXQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=NzsZK+223WfOYSYQpmO+XmZpd8J2dg3QlGr1EtJBwVE=; b=k0DWjATkjX62AyhWRvNUJ7XtQ0bsITkfFShpLOvOI28dt0qDbJ/AwBxngWuj4HBSEn bztYPx6O/NWnSQQrpU0NS4nW3g9pJwvnyynYja4OhCtRFDwzx4g4wrM5eFnyLF6ZkBnD CJLP7zkYwZQ1yUhlqTbOmY+bBqqDlo18OMQ/SR6Wykv4s92tlJRrw79DLuB6rLF/MSVJ exnhkm7/g0iIsWL2curW9VJhus4mG3XS0QZsCvOLBfbHN23TbhM29yr+gVwG7OFOR787 HrFeCLdjIprzvR/CijyGpltMESak1KJxEfFqKylac+4Kf9NfAKGyJ+lfuVJuSxRZIPF3 qGdw== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/5ty+oqz1+gZQqilKzt55Nz8YQ2sjCSmHM2tXl5EzeXCwibtW6I u2Aeuw7HnfvAkQ== X-Received: by 10.46.82.19 with SMTP id g19mr9366625ljb.110.1493644302303; Mon, 01 May 2017 06:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.100.12] (37-219-103-185.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi. [37.219.103.185]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g79sm2675224lfh.46.2017.05.01.06.11.41 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 01 May 2017 06:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <963649d6-bc25-5633-3361-c0355e1c40a0@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 16:11:39 +0300 Cc: Dendari Marini , Benjamin Cronce , cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <395AB01F-07C0-4427-AD07-150B055EB773@gmail.com> References: <0BA3EE91-C5BC-4155-9D5D-D15D34490A1A@gmx.de> <00DDAA0B-7D99-489B-BA2D-1F20289409B3@gmx.de> <2FFBF256-2932-4FC7-AD1F-0D7CEE111809@gmx.de> <3fbfd0ee-7b41-0f83-8b44-ce7eed6a0562@gmail.com> <09DB0D8E-F63C-4126-8608-9EACDE99D2F1@gmail.com> <8d2720cb-fd26-0ed8-5e59-c9a062384966@gmail.com> <963649d6-bc25-5633-3361-c0355e1c40a0@gmail.com> To: Andy Furniss X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Cake] Getting Cake to work better with Steam and similar applications X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 13:11:43 -0000 > On 1 May, 2017, at 16:03, Andy Furniss wrote: >=20 > Does google/valve/every bbr user run it? By definition, yes. Without sch_fq, there is no pacing available for = BBR to use, and pacing is the mode it normally tries to operate in. = Without pacing, you are not in fact running BBR, but something quite = different and inferior. Please redo your measurements with the correct configuration at the = sender. - Jonathan Morton