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This is insane.=0A= It goes against how we agree to use the Internet.=0A= =0A= English version:=0A= "France has recently approved a highly controversial "Internet Traffic =0A= Tax" (or Gigabyte Tax) as part of the 2027 budget bill amendments. The =0A= new levy targets digital content providers based on the volume of data =0A= they transmit to French internet users, which is monitored by network =0A= operators and Internet Service Providers (ISPs) heavily utilizing =0A= Internet Exchange Points like France-IX."=0A= =0A= Google AI summary:=0A= "Key Metrics & Tax Rates=0A= =95 =800.055 per gigabyte charged to content providers.=0A= =95 Capped at 15% of a provider's French revenue.=0A= =95 Capped at 2% of a provider's global revenue.=0A= =95 Measured directly by French network operators and ISPs."=0A= =0A= =0A= On 2026-10-31 13:56, Frantisek Borsik wrote:=0A= > Crossposting, because this garbage idea might "inspire" more countries = =0A= > and=0A= > have a horrible impact also on bufferbloat everywhere.=0A= > =0A= > *Original post by Dr. Peering:*=0A= > =0A= > *"The French have decided to destroy the Internet within their own =0A= > country=0A= > by taxing Gigabits. Here=92s Octave Klaba's excellent analysis [in =0A= > French,=0A= > link below] showing just how insane the finance bill actually is. The =0A= > IXP=0A= > taxation amount is, just for starters, ridiculous!"*=0A= > =0A= > https://x.com/drpeering/status/2116468659392807=0A= > =0A= > =0A= > *Octave's post:*=0A= > =0A= > https://fr.linkedin.com/posts/octave-klaba-3a0b3632_jai-lu-lamendement-i-= 1358-au-plf-2027-activity-7522219045576888320-uqkw=0A= > =0A= > *Copy+paste:*=0A= > =0A= > J'ai lu l'amendement I-1358 au PLF 2027, adopt=E9 ce vendredi =E0 =0A= > l'Assembl=E9e :=0A= > une taxe de 0,055 =80 par Go envoy=E9 vers les abonn=E9s des FAI fran=E7a= is. Le=0A= > chiffre est abstrait, alors comparons-le. Corrigez-moi si vous voyez =0A= > des=0A= > erreurs.=0A= > =0A= > Deux comparaisons et un cas concret :=0A= > =0A= > 1. Le transit et le peering. Un port 100 Gbps co=FBte environ 6 300 =80 p= ar=0A= > mois chez un fournisseur de transit mondial. En interconnexion directe = =0A= > avec=0A= > un FAI europ=E9en, compter 3 =E0 5 fois plus, soit 20 =E0 30 k=80 par moi= s. Sur =0A= > ce=0A= > port (a), la taxe atteint 1,02 M=80 par mois, soit environ 3400 % =E0 163= 00 =0A= > %=0A= > du prix d'une interconnexion vers les FAI fran=E7ais. On change donc=0A= > profond=E9ment le mod=E8le =E9conomique de la bande passante en France.= =0A= > =0A= > 2. Les hyperscalers sont critiqu=E9s pour le prix de leur trafic sortant,= =0A= > qui=0A= > va d'environ 0,08=80 =E0 0,045=80 par Go selon le volume. La taxe, 0,055 = =80 =0A= > par=0A= > Go, repr=E9sente 68 % =E0 123 % de ce prix. On parle donc de doubler, pou= r =0A= > le=0A= > trafic vers la France, un prix d=E9j=E0 jug=E9 trop =E9lev=E9 !=0A= > =0A= > 3. Le cas d'OVHcloud. Nous envoyons de l'ordre de 500 Gbps au 95e=0A= > percentile vers les FAI fran=E7ais, soit environ 324 Gbps en moyenne. Sur= =0A= > un=0A= > an, la taxe brute atteindrait 70 M=80. Le texte la plafonne =E0 15 % du C= A=0A= > r=E9alis=E9 en France ou =E0 2 % du CA mondial, soit entre environ 23 et = 70 =0A= > M=80=0A= > par an que nous devrions collecter pour l'=C9tat, et donc r=E9percuter su= r =0A= > nos=0A= > clients.=0A= > =0A= > Conclusions :=0A= > =0A= > 1. Une taxe porte en g=E9n=E9ral sur une petite fraction de son assiette.= =0A= > Celle-ci vaut plus de 3000 % du co=FBt du transit, et environ 100 % du = =0A= > prix=0A= > public des hyperscalers. Rappelez-vous la loi SREN, vot=E9e pour =0A= > supprimer=0A= > les frais de transfert qui emp=EAchaient les clients de quitter un=0A= > fournisseur cloud. Ici, on parle de doubler le prix du trafic sortant =0A= > vers=0A= > les internautes fran=E7ais, un prix d=E9j=E0 tr=E8s probl=E9matique.=0A= > =0A= > 2. Le garde-fou, un plafond calcul=E9 sur le chiffre d'affaires, est=0A= > incoh=E9rent. Ce chiffre d'affaires couvre des serveurs, du stockage, des= =0A= > datacenters et des =E9quipes sans rapport avec la bande passante. C'est = =0A= > comme=0A= > cr=E9er une taxe calcul=E9e sur la consommation =E9lectrique des usines= =0A= > automobiles en France, plafonn=E9e =E0 15 % du chiffre d'affaires des=0A= > constructeurs. Quel rapport entre les deux ?=0A= > =0A= > 3. Une taxe nationale de ce type frappe =E0 coup s=FBr les entreprises = =0A= > =E9tablies=0A= > en France, alors que leurs concurrents mondiaux sans pr=E9sence en France= =0A= > livrent le m=EAme trafic aux m=EAmes FAI fran=E7ais sans payer cette taxe= en=0A= > pratique. Cela cr=E9e une distorsion de concurrence au d=E9triment des = =0A= > acteurs=0A= > nationaux et d=E9classe les entreprises qui embauchent en France. Une =0A= > taxe=0A= > qui produit l'effet inverse serait une meilleure approche.=0A= > =0A= > (a) Factur=E9 au 95e percentile, ce port n'est pas plein en permanence : = =0A= > avec=0A= > un profil journalier type (22 % vers 4 h, 90 % vers 21 h), il =0A= > transporte en=0A= > moyenne 57 % de sa capacit=E9, soit 18,6 millions de Go par mois.=0A= > =0A= > =0A= > All the best,=0A= > =0A= > Frank=0A= > Frantisek (Frank) Borsik=0A= > =0A= > In loving memory of Dave T=E4ht: 1965-2025=0A= > https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/=0A= > =0A= > =0A= > https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik=0A= > Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 <+421%20919%20416%20714>=0A= > iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 <775%20230%20885>=0A= > Skype: casioa5302ca=0A= > frantisek.borsik@gmail.com=0A= > _______________________________________________=0A= > Bloat mailing list -- bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net=0A= > To unsubscribe send an email to bloat-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net=0A= _______________________________________________=0A= Bloat mailing list -- bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net=0A= To unsubscribe send an email to bloat-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net=0A=