From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x22c.google.com (mail-wm0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 883673BA8E for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2018 13:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id s12-v6so8572418wmc.0 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2018 10:01:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heistp.net; s=google; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=pCQGtfofNsrKlUn2Xbcat+FFS6I6fh0ej4a4ycSZ7xk=; b=D7jfWploRr1p8EECPSA4XQLHQb0pXCIvjPn5GRdQuZoNX6RFJig+7pmv6UsLRcIadN TVW61wlL6yxXrrorQh5CTPMkw6tuTqV0R8HqWAG2z8AmMnHPGfyR8zg6Ael15zuBTsOX qeIE9Zzm1XZrfsnkb5bUUv4CpW/0AIeeuHWIorcuQ61n7CfkHDriOGS+5EWpLm1kk9+H JXZxxEXbEW7VwVAGAVTw/cAVb7bkZzP2L5Dpl+Eu2MkvCcjP3kMjE+F2t/9faHQmdjzA 0S4HN+Ddqyy06v3uI7hRjuWhSX6qfLZfbwxYcgYmKPprqRL+L4mi2uh3F9Xz2MA792u+ kVhA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=pCQGtfofNsrKlUn2Xbcat+FFS6I6fh0ej4a4ycSZ7xk=; b=LakhVOLw26l2KmLg7poYP/U9YYkWf4zx+qBnOhG2Gcumf6DD2gfkExtvJrO/1uRyod 7zoa1HGHGo2XwEonglR37Wa7Y09MCeqUXfYOCIbZVzd62SA1y/4fZkcRjFiGTPej43iU p/yAJgSRt6rW/CSiLL+u8GD0xh5J46cx8YYqGzSug0Fq7iZkjoh8E/vNa/K3OT2QawRJ eqrfHg+TJhYcJZd6eD5GJ4Gd558Hvk1SA7zGsJ4poch24S+7bSJFyeoEozRSKkxCypfz T4Wn3lytaE8c53vznEGSWGj9TWUOOuBsPXKWItGlFqSrqVZwstIHt3VsWGWMwtF5/6g2 2kxg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlHbLtc3eKdMd6B5KG66dg6vwHlfD+pPDC9AX2Wzxo4xGGBS6mmk D/2TVJ6AKN61ucgGWFAOZvAHwg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpeYISSM85RrQDJSkU4bKHHVDlnLKpOJJXf4Ugz9iSPtrblxqSQePEWtnH9rDSTCjKaZzhW/DA== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:69d2:: with SMTP id z79-v6mr8896172wmh.92.1532797294942; Sat, 28 Jul 2018 10:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tron.luk.heistp.net (h-1169.lbcfree.net. [185.193.85.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u71-v6sm10261131wmd.12.2018.07.28.10.01.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Jul 2018 10:01:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Pete Heist Message-Id: <42F6EC96-0663-4320-B6FD-2729D835FDF0@heistp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_985939CE-1A06-481D-BEC3-B2FEFEB49BC1" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 19:01:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: Cake List To: Dave Taht References: <1357421162.31089.1531812291583@webmail.strato.de> <1c323544b3076c0ab31b887d6113f25f572e41ae.camel@coverfire.com> <87woth28rw.fsf@toke.dk> <87tvol1z6h.fsf@toke.dk> <87wotfzql8.fsf@toke.dk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Cake] =?utf-8?q?Using_cake_to_shape_1000=E2=80=99s_of_users=2E?= X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 17:01:36 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_985939CE-1A06-481D-BEC3-B2FEFEB49BC1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jul 28, 2018, at 5:04 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > I'm lovin this discussion. >=20 > a couple notes: >=20 > 1) IF you go the full monty and create an isp oriented qdisc, for > gawd's sake come up with a googleable name. > Things like pie, cake, bobbie, tart are good codenames, fq_codel > horrific, "streamboost" is a canonical example of a great name. If it=E2=80=99s separate from Cake but still has shared heritage, just = throwing "Icing" out there: ISP Centered Insanity Nullifying Goodness The acronym could be better. :) > At the > moment I'm rather liking what can be done with ebpf and the new tc > priority stuff and for all I know a veth + cake per subscriber works > and thus not feeling the need to rework cake itself. But keep > brainstorming and gathering requirements! It would be good to talk at > a WISP convention, and to folks like wlan-sloviena, guifi and freifunk > as to the problems they have currently. FreeNet Liberec admins would likely have more input. I should be at an = admins meeting in a month or so and see what input I can get. There=E2=80=99= s also a very similar but larger network in Prague, here in WISP-land = (https://spoje.net/internet/czfree/ ). Enjoy = this: = http://mapa.czfree.net/#lat=3D50.087803&lng=3D14.406480999999985&zoom=3D11= &tilt=3D0&heading=3D0&autofilter=3D1&type=3Dsatellite&aponly=3D1&bbonly=3D= 1&actlink=3D1&actnode=3D1& = > 4) anybody for timer wheels? Just saying, could that be prototyped on one of those FPGA-powered NICs?= --Apple-Mail=_985939CE-1A06-481D-BEC3-B2FEFEB49BC1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On = Jul 28, 2018, at 5:04 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>= wrote:

I'm lovin this discussion.

a = couple notes:

1) IF you go the full monty = and create an isp oriented qdisc, for
gawd's sake come up = with a googleable name.
Things like pie, cake, bobbie, = tart are good codenames, fq_codel
horrific, "streamboost" = is a canonical example of a great name.

If it=E2=80=99s separate from Cake but still has = shared heritage, just throwing "Icing" out there:

ISP Centered Insanity Nullifying = Goodness

The acronym could be = better. :)

At the
moment I'm rather liking = what can be done with ebpf and the new tc
priority stuff = and for all I know a veth + cake per subscriber works
and = thus not feeling the need to rework cake itself. But keep
brainstorming and gathering requirements! It would be good to = talk at
a WISP convention, and to folks like = wlan-sloviena, guifi and freifunk
as to the problems they = have currently.

FreeNet Liberec admins would likely have more = input. I should be at an admins meeting in a month or so and see what = input I can get. There=E2=80=99s also a very similar but larger network = in Prague, here in WISP-land (https://spoje.net/internet/czfree/). Enjoy = this:


4) anybody for timer = wheels?

Just saying, could that be prototyped on one of those = FPGA-powered NICs?
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