From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14DCA3B2A4 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 05:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.16.11.125] ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MSp1l-1f1BWY0tEb-00RnSv; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:38:27 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: <87d0yp7xyn.fsf@toke.dk> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:38:24 +0200 Cc: Pete Heist , cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4889B2A7-331E-4513-A985-120B21876B8E@gmx.de> References: <871sf6xqne.fsf@toke.dk> <0E96CBE1-B3B8-4E2A-BB09-1EEDD4E390BF@gmx.de> <87o9i97zyh.fsf@toke.dk> <2924DAE1-7967-4D57-A4C9-67FA0ABA33E2@gmx.de> <87d0yp7xyn.fsf@toke.dk> To: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:HlKzF3NuvGfUuSY7JQlnCcgGF1g1sbDltovUzyJEGnf25MojTw+ LbZt4KaKCPjlkYWEV6r+BT+YMpjurqDpUqlDHZ7+0j0x7uwW3nAM7Tvl47vjvk0js7yFtRW i7artY35aywtlyCYl1YEVl1mcWk0jCGKPt4g01ZQOhDQ7yeerX2FNZdRxWm7YatFaWloTu9 2EJ6WS/rjNfEi/9p5hGJQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:yscKo0r1Oj0=:Oil9p5xDk0U+hsrI8KfgeZ pSJu6cuupPG4qmdBNuiH09L9klqpq7pv1FAmPCDgqKprCz8X6hvi1j+yTre2UJmIiayKYjiIN gf302jeXPMZlFlSZUwrt7IFN/04NgGve8fEpcMb5bMswNVwW7Guj42a/tSSkXMa0IYuhy0SZP pNd0Vm6k6jIrTGhE5fEwSLGTJdWNSij0+tccDCtCIRwNNT+RvzC/QrmrRMeXl1Gc2m3/1yhwC c+3ANEMo9tbHUGY9ryT6TRp5ndA3PG471t/mE7hZrYP8a8okOfK4rfs6ARGpvalBxdQqe7N18 bz2pqV4H849TNcnu408vDJYMImOdqOujgxGhxd6cYgaRE+exslWArSdBaBeb3/UMMocAjgdZu rDAR6C0/NhqLH2oUzfOU9EdzqpN2v2/bXw1szqX+OhwXCRCEzLP3Sgm7B/628c3OH5230dzpE fElOaQBWOuzb0nHc770DJT7l5QoV20lKFqHPHjJNppg2jxkm0oUpu9VKAf6UKQrGkpMJj9Y3h SpjthTZDJRrrbZ5b2h/hiR//Q51JOZct5C8dEevl7MZl47isoQPCeQxVyheqsnsiC+gX3q035 rqMUx7pSe8LF7Xbr8XsSOadCfwXkai3abS5riPDJ5tMEN8uTaL1XFuYa0qgr1ouqASnREOF3U Eprz9vgoCF0TOyVZk+C2w1bphL44ApJPc95WE54NJuv5l6XdAt8tBVHOyS3yjY4lvXPcsbLU/ D1svNq69nOnD23793J7DmpN4QY6ljS5sglzVMAMpkbKC4v+gbCRomPTTc5EzpCS9ji/S+5gKN u4KOusNOJf8hOTl9Ad36CQ23g34XfKR92G5zkWjmmrwot24aXM= Subject: Re: [Cake] Pre-print of Cake paper available X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 09:38:31 -0000 Hi Toke, > On Apr 24, 2018, at 11:30, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen = wrote: >=20 > Sebastian Moeller writes: > [...] >>>=20 >>> I don't think we can make assumptions on ISP deployments. >>=20 >> Sure we do not really need to: >> = https://forum.lede-project.org/t/transparent-cake-box/2161/4?u=3Dmoeller0 >> and >> = https://forum.lede-project.org/t/lede-as-a-dedicated-qos-bufferbloat-appli= ance/1861/14?u=3Dmoeller0 >> so it looks like one person already use cake in an small ISP context. >> Now 1 is not a very convincing number, but certainly larger than >> zero... >=20 > Well I just meant that there are many ways to deploy a shaper in an = ISP > context (centrally in the network, at the next hop from the customer, > etc). Ah, sorry, I fully agree; and if ISPs are interested they should = start talking; I just wanted to report the one case where cake seems to = be used in an ISP-ish context. >=20 > Looking at those threads, they seem to be increasing the number of > queues. Not sure they need to, but, well, there's nothing in principle > that says this couldn't be configurable (it is in FQ-CoDel). It would > need a bit of a reorg of the current code, though, so that would be a > thing for later I guess... I had hoped that orangetek could be convinced to do measurements = with different number of queues to answer that question, but I guess the = current default of 1000 queues is decent for a typical homenet, but will = simply become a bit tight with 600 concurrent households (I assume that = its the peak usage that would want more queues on the "back-haul", on = average 1000 might still be okay, especially with Jonathan's clever set = associativity design) Best Regards Sebastian >=20 > -Toke