From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x236.google.com (mail-wm0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D8B73B2A3 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x236.google.com with SMTP id m123so56896220wma.0 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 13:45:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:from:to:references:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/dLpqY/IXRi80YOAzD+lGvji29KGjXV9V2K3pFXPNKY=; b=djqFbziqfMIee/r3/1stOtmxekrcc/3IbHsHVDLWi2eL200cYFUCI9H9rNa/IaYOyS oMjQm6VI6d7hX6YT5B3x7wt18vLfRWNB7QGUNeVOa+yYPZ7l57jhMLpW/muUdaduXF18 96btPwxWKYxp2Yky0Vefn8clPq+whr+PVAZA7nJB8Txgaki7DH64/zBCoemnqjqHA9Xf xylLoREiEsgyRE1KINZ0AkvfhtMbp+bvjokqu8jON8ZGNNt/AEkYo1Qo9TrhVXXnCuH5 qGBHoZC169WFiIklQp0kK//mdRs82YXVAo2iOMQe91N9AqszB8lI34Scuem6MsOAnA4J OusA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:from:to:references:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/dLpqY/IXRi80YOAzD+lGvji29KGjXV9V2K3pFXPNKY=; b=BH0yiPpHfFELJCfXcxCMTpD9JKYmX3mtOivHO9j73atjMcTuQB7O9Lj9w7AP0xA9/X /sYHDbbQ8AxHoXLRWoRyw2t3P7MpWcDqHuTD+MO0SapMbPFpM55tN38wV4mTeUAA6xbP 3vIq44XXOXf1lg66A2lbUlAeG6X6KOo+SkgBw1hy7b0rHf72u+Ffa5kp3z4MlNOkPGKv gKaFalq0rbICICq0k8qDzzxaNXDDYUuQj+hzclGvegVzyRcX6JvvFaRV3IcS6o4ptjHn sxCnyVor1GFlYnR2UcdWPs3cu2V1igtvLwuXOgBD22erPFudwLHBbt7eQcBlr2yAKhve E69A== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/5O5YGnj+FNGpbUQQ/ezMlLz80VGlMpeZgGKgckZ6juSYS9VS8T egooIY0aGH2j8Ocj X-Received: by 10.28.238.213 with SMTP id j82mr7195134wmi.43.1493412347189; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 13:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (185.182.7.51.dyn.plus.net. [51.7.182.185]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 188sm600598wmf.29.2017.04.28.13.45.45 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 28 Apr 2017 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Furniss To: Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <7fefc8ad-33e6-cf65-2f90-f71dd2651ee3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4934dc0a-26e0-825d-070b-4bc34aff7bb0@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 21:45:45 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:54.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/54.0 SeaMonkey/2.51a2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7fefc8ad-33e6-cf65-2f90-f71dd2651ee3@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Cake] cake default target is too low for bbr? X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 20:45:48 -0000 Andy Furniss wrote: > OK so ecn may cure - but people may no know how or want that on. So ecn doesn't really help with upstream bandwidth issues as it still does 1 ack per packet when marked - though they are at least not any longer like sacks.