From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED2503BA8E for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 06:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hms-beagle2.lan ([77.182.35.26]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M5cMq-1hBJIq1sng-00xd5m; Sun, 03 Mar 2019 12:26:04 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: <5CC769AC-AD0C-40E8-BFCA-6AD2A8162FFC@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 12:26:03 +0100 Cc: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net, Pete Heist , George Amanakis Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <49A8FB42-EC0B-41B7-8CE4-888DF3C2A88D@gmx.de> References: <72193310-7502-47B8-9554-7F8F9FA23204@heistp.net> <874l8mn9iy.fsf@toke.dk> <417E17B2-17F7-4106-A92D-C5B5AC41D808@gmx.de> <5CC769AC-AD0C-40E8-BFCA-6AD2A8162FFC@gmail.com> To: Jonathan Morton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:+58047sakFIvPCwSe2DP1keiVvy1RDeRSegqpc7ewR3Ut9JbZBd oj6dD7bwb9zyUwrV52ocYLL0sNjuupjvbqsGkrkc0fuQqgN+TquptX0Vj38BfqKqO1WbZYX ypy7BkkFjM2wjfR0JNs0aLuV0HCqhbY74lP7iJifWfnb1CZ4Drn+ssS1qtCTg3qtzU3e3PC azo9q47XbBKse5Dq3r5oA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ezFegZZd6dA=:ASu55rGNIKlk6MEJ6zMQ0O cvPWm97TM3dr4xh7pVZm9iO7dWEhveOziIq6RaRRuBjgwuKagypi97W15bYu5IZLsDB13yqrG tLG8PUBd73aOW6lnQz/9UDOR8h3zO3UBXLWTHb2ZStc59GI0olizFmuE8gbfu1umm91HLbmPq alV3CfsR0g5jsrZqZnaBbEVPmGBPZVaqVhpjmD2x0sEllRkbs3hA+efcAau4HzkhdfgMEupTj zCwTadme8u1Ite7viwMfD/7wE2/JDr6AQJnVoj6fDE9/aB2TnvneEb4Awu55vpzmPqchn8nMI yoSXmLicWWAzsEhLRyk1p+h1J4DPUuD6G9///bhN7FCv1GpR3lf7qJpxtB1Uo9dGLbmWMSRQZ 7GPxVhAq9Sh+YzklzXyYmxuQY2So+2YLsZMUelL68wuxkmS83/kfZync84UFEzvqQbudElLvy x6zeo1qz6vm1ycbUB4RTW5wy0gIsVo64VX2aBYB5amSLrkI2o6oGTWKt0dpb1gcjzEq72hFVP so57ZMMHmQRFmHRvaCg1PM7fesxhSqpP1tA5IDNxEfrTPCLCaxvO1tOrasXTHKUDvCcPkHyh0 hwiZDYBo4In8Djt3fCoOAIsf5mGtcya08iS/Rnn0xYBoG+JRmKAqRksjwklma+V74m5sGLRFo vgOjusxKYU/gUfPCMmBxyfy6EkSQGY4tvOxunCflkFwd/1zBKry6ksiVrHI65qyJ1pljj5zPG rUYARWGLpZV3w3ZjX4UIia0CuRELJ0vtGrfIk5ma6S9g7YXz/i0oM4XLjs95ooc37noFYG2oN vLioNHVUbg1eU/Kc79zno8KOM/XfTskkSZVFfM5pyf0j/sN2RYN894nyTxC534xdChs+xLZhA FJopmjfLE3VUV634WRODC8T4HozVmc88GRkd67Pec73RwjNntQBRPk25ATb6CrzUXyYx/Bb7+ Pkg0wSBnWsg== Subject: Re: [Cake] Upstream submission of dual-mode fairness patch X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2019 11:26:07 -0000 Hi Jonathan, > On Mar 3, 2019, at 10:58, Jonathan Morton = wrote: >=20 >> On 3 Mar, 2019, at 11:53 am, Sebastian Moeller = wrote: >>=20 >> Doesn't this look like ingress magic being applied selectively to the = users based on number of flows? I thought that the idea behind the = ingress keyword is to effectively shape harder the more bulk flows are = coming in.=20 >=20 > No, it simply counts dropped packets against the shaper, as well as = those actually transmitted. =20 Sure, but the question is how is the resulting "pressure" to = drop/mark distributed over the existing (bulk) flows. > There shouldn't be that many packets being dropped to make this much = of a difference. My intuition (probably wrong) is that is not the few packets = dropped, but the fact that the the dropping does seem to be restricted = to the flows of the IP with more flows, no? Best Regards Sebastian >=20 > - Jonathan Morton >=20