From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x230.google.com (mail-lj1-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D29C3CB35 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 11:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lj1-x230.google.com with SMTP id q128so2204530ljb.11 for ; Sun, 03 Mar 2019 08:40:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=ovXTs12/KMJZI6tZR2DtkB/37rY5AiTQyfxp7Msc0o0=; b=lpQGTj/ZbUmkyCuMG9d5icpUbZ0eXZ1mtr6DYNbXN83RsulORLnDIgUD4YluJjL+ZI CAjwn+lOOILFBhdOkl36vmNd4nJbxDIoF7Tg+ibGOEMleNag8QXP2I/5M4pxlN7ItobF uGUQ2TTxBtu6/5IDLWrA/JvGP6B4Rrmps3JDZBH3/wLes+AYX+C5Ini2z/Gxz5X4uePA me6EUuSIJazWumizzHs7bhLG0/KuB85ftcQO7T/gtuc7Y7n1EVsR4Ll7+N1Nld9kKnr/ 0BjuTTSpKGZMorvRGsqAcp/KdFXjYlelo/e2pJ0kTyw3XEF+kDPbjM3b4ydImH8m+lw8 YCUw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=ovXTs12/KMJZI6tZR2DtkB/37rY5AiTQyfxp7Msc0o0=; b=flbzx6dl5jv+PigsbA+74Z+1+65+hsbqrjULZL/W43+tTAxWGGIfQqvtItUo0mkqn7 5gF3Qu8vX4kv8Rx8kgLIIZHu5ETHrjeU4+n2ocyo6q8YWtdJrFgM9QM+fvz60J6YKHaA MQqgKJq0WPdvMdNbtY5NoqGFrdgP4qdQLOer8YfHz3BjdC7LArPKQBAwlWvEJEl6gBpR vVLMuSu+IBMFzYmS04qzOQCrHNSBgEgkpBNSDv5UYrYokX6/wmpFeMtm0mvzo3n0ckBC S3LRbM+IcePci4KeeCjiIM8YFTXwM8dPqLhaJ6Eh8tVRKGZxmVX76ysXvsC/Xeb3zeR6 NPNQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUYql1AOUsUuo2GmeSbo5a3/dVtq63JZbGanThBJ0oxJvR2e/VL bu3D0qc6NWx+tDIe0VGwQw4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxQHk7oNABwkHa/E3V2QLJdc+hP5t1jYLVE7NsQ2nZDMXjGHHPFNTYgGHxpuOhA5he7GFZGpw== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9ec2:: with SMTP id h2mr8094904ljk.186.1551631216857; Sun, 03 Mar 2019 08:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (83-245-234-216-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.234.216]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v11sm1037438lfb.46.2019.03.03.08.40.15 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Mar 2019 08:40:16 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 18:40:14 +0200 Cc: Sebastian Moeller , =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen_via_Cake?= , George Amanakis Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <511C22FF-64A5-46CA-BFB9-4EA350B76122@gmail.com> References: <72193310-7502-47B8-9554-7F8F9FA23204@heistp.net> <874l8mn9iy.fsf@toke.dk> <417E17B2-17F7-4106-A92D-C5B5AC41D808@gmx.de> <5CC769AC-AD0C-40E8-BFCA-6AD2A8162FFC@gmail.com> <49A8FB42-EC0B-41B7-8CE4-888DF3C2A88D@gmx.de> <542D3BC3-317A-4F3E-A5B6-16FF678DDFAC@gmail.com> <5C8177FD-2605-4CDD-9AA2-F0E5AF9C779B@heistp.net> <1C81557C-2FD5-4C48-BC17-F9E841D08097@gmail.com> To: Pete Heist X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Cake] Upstream submission of dual-mode fairness patch X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2019 16:40:18 -0000 > On 3 Mar, 2019, at 6:35 pm, Pete Heist wrote: >=20 > It almost seems like in ingress mode, dropped packets are being = counted as bytes transferred, when they weren=E2=80=99t. Well yes, that's the whole point - at least as far as the shaper is = concerned. Ingress mode is supposed to deal with the case where inbound = packets have already traversed the bottleneck link *before* Cake gets to = choose what to do with them. But that shouldn't affect fairness, only total throughput. Fairness is = not handled by the shaper, but by the (very) extended DRR++ algorithm. - Jonathan Morton