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with this cake allows the user to specify absolute overhead (so if you specify overhead 18, cake will give you 14 - 14 + 18 = 18, while tc's stab method will give you 14 + 18 = 32). So cake is doing the right thing here (the only thing it could do even better is to report the size of the automatically corrected in-kernel hard_header_len, but then the audience for that information is probably to small to justify this feature). Actually for the sake of a one line change in the tc code it is an extremely useful confidence boost and info source as to just what linux thinks the overhead actually is: // This is actually the *amount* of automatic compensation, but we only report // its presence as a boolean for now. if (ethernet) - fprintf(f, "via-ethernet "); + fprintf(f, "via-ethernet(%d) ", ethernet); I've run that in a local patch to tc on LEDE for AGES. Very useful. Kevin