Hi again I tested Dave's build of cake on wndr3800. (Didn't try specifying cake2/cake3; I'm guessing tc cake means cake3 on there). "atm" adjustment worked fine on my adsl. I can't distinguish it from sqm-scripts with the same configuration. SQM seems to win from having "overhead 40", which I can't configure in cake. up / kbit/s down / kbit/s overhead / bytes Median RRUL / ms SQM 16000 950 0 74 Cake 17175 995 0 76 Cake 16000 950 0 74 SQM 17175 995 40 70 DSL sync rate 17619 1020 59 IMO it wouldn't hurt for 'tc atm', 'tc adsl', and everything else to default to 'overhead 44'. (The highest overhead Seb reported; the original worst case overhead[1] plus a vlan header for IPTV). Alan [1] http://ace-host.stuart.id.au/russell/files/tc/tc-atm/#usage