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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings fellow cake eaters :-) Sebastian raised a little flag in the brain cell yesterday in his questioning/discussion of cake stats & kernel accounted for overheads.=20 As he stated the kernel considers the overhead of an ethernet packet to be 14 bytes but forgets about the 4 byte frame check sequence and pre/post ambles which in the end make a packet on the wire worth 1538 bytes (must use octets, must use octets) Jonathan pointed out that cake's overhead parameter/s are used for timing purposes, which to me makes it all the more important that overheads are got right. As much as I'm loath to suggest yet another option to cake, should it not by default assume ethernet 'on-the-wire' framing overheads (preamble& start of frame=3D8, FCS=3D4, interpacket gap=3D12) totalling 2= 4 octets, not forgetting VLAN tag/s at 4 octets each and the already accounted for 14 octets of MAC source,dest & frame type/length for timing purposes? Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_frame For ethernet links this is going to be important. For other links 'transporting' ethernet at slower rates (I'm thinking VDSL2 modems & the like) I suspect their overheads and pure slowness of link swamp the timing discrepancy. 'ethernet' & 'ethernetotw' flags? What don't I understand properly here? 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