From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
Cc: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Cake] A few puzzling Cake results
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2018 17:12:40 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <578552B2-5127-451A-AFE8-93AE9BB07368@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87604o3get.fsf@toke.dk>
> On 18 Apr, 2018, at 2:25 pm, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> wrote:
>
> So if there is one active bulk flow, we allow each flow to queue four
> packets. But if there are ten active bulk flows, we allow *each* flow to
> queue *40* packets.
No - because the drain rate per flow scales inversely with the number of flows, we have to wait for 40 MTUs' serialisation delay to get 4 packets out of *each* flow.
Without that, we can end up with very high drop rates which, in ingress mode, don't actually improve congestion on the bottleneck link because TCP can't reduce its window below 4 MTUs, and it's having to retransmit all the lost packets as well. That loses us a lot of goodput for no good reason.
So I do accept the increase in intra-flow latency when the flow count grows beyond the link's capacity to cope. It helps us keep the inter-flow induced latency low while maintaining bulk goodput, which is more important.
- Jonathan Morton
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-04-18 14:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-04-17 9:42 Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 10:04 ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-17 10:38 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 12:05 ` Y
[not found] ` <mailman.225.1523966725.3573.cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2018-04-17 12:22 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 13:16 ` Jonas Mårtensson
2018-04-17 13:50 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 13:47 ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-17 13:52 ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-17 14:25 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 14:54 ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-17 15:10 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 14:03 ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-17 14:17 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 11:25 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 12:21 ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
2018-04-18 12:57 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 13:13 ` Jonas Mårtensson
2018-04-18 13:21 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 14:12 ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2018-04-18 14:30 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 15:03 ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-18 15:17 ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-04-18 15:58 ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-18 16:11 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 16:25 ` Dave Taht
2018-04-18 16:34 ` Georgios Amanakis
2018-04-18 17:10 ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-04-19 7:49 ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-19 8:11 ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-19 9:00 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-19 9:21 ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-19 9:26 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-19 9:55 ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-19 10:33 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-19 11:55 ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-18 16:54 ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-18 17:02 ` Dave Taht
2018-04-18 18:06 ` Jonas Mårtensson
2018-04-18 18:11 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 18:16 ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
[not found] ` <mailman.238.1524075384.3573.cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2018-04-19 8:31 ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
2018-04-18 18:11 ` Jonas Mårtensson
2018-04-18 19:53 ` David Lang
2018-04-18 21:53 ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-19 9:22 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-19 9:32 ` Jonathan Morton
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