From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x235.google.com (mail-lj1-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 929633BA8E for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 04:58:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lj1-x235.google.com with SMTP id g80so1749172ljg.6 for ; Sun, 03 Mar 2019 01:58:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=8r+0ADYCZ50ndkcD8onrYQiWITviRDaJvd+LoKtqMy0=; b=q6Cp0RhxpQgTcgevfr0+XxpekDyXt+Q9ZgMn6zryKh35RWK3N0jPYXE9qCpFpg8G1G pKKoWhADcSittm/39NYmvIoKrGdHP3z73MX8g3FaCaCD2zUZhm4Z/7Hfcziz5kFH+DLB cBNqfeIpwdvmR1VQNCHzKfYwDjeJqVe5w91BtCjwthKL/RJc+9tbZQoP4DLsuKCVlhTT 1KvcUxhuyA5p1acbJR9hL3k7EFF01RCbNEXSj8E+17TPZBhgiFk36ruWZMotugGIjHPP H034IxRs5YZsPzdoNOdKPUFkGu1bCI7N2DScId94XswQL4wkXJd8dxAbFRnCAptRB4tX UMPw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=8r+0ADYCZ50ndkcD8onrYQiWITviRDaJvd+LoKtqMy0=; b=M6xgCf0DLI3+CPfKRLkwubWgzarId1YE9Lmqqfk/7pNyGLYv9mb5VrFOFpkPITqW0q gkr0w5oOyfiOygz6QS1aiARHcqwga+sGB9Zuy/i6pLQ79ZRmfA+KglVCkIicnQj9sXRf FVo9U3auyqzaUVkwO1bAmbR9+SJBZFV5HJMI/gyoROvBOPZe15p7BZ3Y8PvsrTQoNl5/ 8m+qxmZLFy0iGHwZT0wRqEUHbZIngpyXFJ+X+vJ7C6R4kq73jKUCOx3RekSzVvi4TLnI NH+rGrER387YSIRLFbRdzCroh5EpZJO92XtJflVXHk7Z5JSkSVFbQlmbWBckYs/rfUVP pKYA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUZNPbEfJRp2AQ88Z/iqAvzA1kxM7H8K8kIM18WqWiYmZ/u5Q1q oEV6d6rc7gJbwNVj4xAX9II= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyfAt/5guVivD0uUvItRYkvw4RsQ1s+E72oOXBPlqp1BUp8vsfYP78WtWqryfG21sXur3kKiA== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:6358:: with SMTP id x85mr7401194ljb.167.1551607129476; Sun, 03 Mar 2019 01:58:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (83-245-234-216-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.234.216]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i185sm845486lji.81.2019.03.03.01.58.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Mar 2019 01:58:48 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <417E17B2-17F7-4106-A92D-C5B5AC41D808@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 11:58:47 +0200 Cc: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net, Pete Heist , George Amanakis Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5CC769AC-AD0C-40E8-BFCA-6AD2A8162FFC@gmail.com> References: <72193310-7502-47B8-9554-7F8F9FA23204@heistp.net> <874l8mn9iy.fsf@toke.dk> <417E17B2-17F7-4106-A92D-C5B5AC41D808@gmx.de> To: Sebastian Moeller X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Cake] Upstream submission of dual-mode fairness patch X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2019 09:58:50 -0000 > On 3 Mar, 2019, at 11:53 am, Sebastian Moeller = wrote: >=20 > Doesn't this look like ingress magic being applied selectively to the = users based on number of flows? I thought that the idea behind the = ingress keyword is to effectively shape harder the more bulk flows are = coming in.=20 No, it simply counts dropped packets against the shaper, as well as = those actually transmitted. There shouldn't be that many packets being = dropped to make this much of a difference. - Jonathan Morton