From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf1-x12a.google.com (mail-lf1-x12a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D7003B29D for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 18:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x12a.google.com with SMTP id f8so8251lfe.12 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:33:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=cWUrmihllg5d8w5L4rCUfdHel2QzIiY9HRx9l8A4qWU=; b=t6u8qQLHJOPVTjeQlKvxxwOiy4CZXqhQBjXA/D33OsE68ELcltT3HYLxlIcvGQLL5z iEquv+yPq8VqhyZG957Js+h8f4DS3bWbDw2ga0NFNtbzCk1LB4gJys7YFUaoorbh+Tiq y11i2EO2m3c0N2YwFKCscHS3Um8FPi2L1uMrMsBejYezbnIVBzxq99vIIsFRvQaaHPUD 8qvKC7t+t1BxD0Jgv+zCsPOtTonbk06Z6wthTkbKBJmneo3FJVzLcDNI1qKp4bT3Xbbq ZtBisy3r9UZVsdEZfG5gWsnJl6FMiiD6HpWLRtY9s8JoD5UyxVKBnKtL1DUjB+FepDAF NdvQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=cWUrmihllg5d8w5L4rCUfdHel2QzIiY9HRx9l8A4qWU=; b=fLeo7pGyaVCokzw1Irp1rMq111ca538Lhk57kaNvQfESPSaa+kM2am3UsxRrM5B6pT fOI1neH6woCKqSjGH0sNQa2CJLCY2qSVDNXie6xFESOzzwYULKXkS+tkC4hgVKk9/OiA GeyXrAeJ79T42E2GUy/YmdnInw4gsPOpyuuLpRSDTsp1pmqNWPc1H3qcC7En0j60xcQC Rf66LhkA2f2aBboPfPXEgg5whOGt2GjjajDTsfK0qFmCkhCstHwNpb1TlDlS9Y2lABmT WszDVMnYUFWUcHJcEmVp1Xx/UezBMcsBdiGtEg2GsZMkPm9bV7o90s2yhgHYKANETPge oBaw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubXyompHa6pr5Yzn+9xhHXnVRAphVTZAdndj20VLwvasMQDVSyi 5YE67zIU5YtqKkXYI8Sddcw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypIoxYZTwpGCv7v7ODTPkw50y1w2TlNwGAlv8vkZAwLywak81QD1I5YAsUudreyS2SfG3Dz9JQ== X-Received: by 2002:ac2:48b1:: with SMTP id u17mr14743285lfg.187.1587508429377; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (83-245-235-192-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.235.192]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 18sm456280ljo.17.2020.04.21.15.33.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:33:47 +0300 Cc: Dave Taht , Cake List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <603DFF79-D0C0-41BD-A2FB-E40B95A9CBB0@gmail.com> References: <75FEC2D9-BFC8-4FA2-A972-D11A823C5528@gmail.com> To: Thibaut X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Cake] Advantages to tightly tuning latency X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:33:50 -0000 > On 22 Apr, 2020, at 1:25 am, Thibaut wrote: >=20 > My curiosity is piqued. Can you elaborate on this? What does free.fr = do? They're a large French ISP. They made their own CPE devices, and = debloated both them and their network quite a while ago. In that sense, = at least, they're a model for others to follow - but few have. - Jonathan Morton=