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From: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
Cc: "Dave Täht" <dave.taht@gmail.com>,
	"Cake List" <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Cake] making split_gso_threshold configurable
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 12:07:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6495D4D7-0920-43C7-A92E-3027102E723D@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87effr3a72.fsf@toke.dk>

Hi Toke,


> On Jul 25, 2018, at 12:02, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> wrote:
> 
> Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> I really wanted cake to always optimize for low latency. I wanted it
>> to "just work" at line rate on dsl, on 100mbit, even 10mbit ethernet,
>> to work against pause frames, etc, without configuration. I wanted to
>> defeat drivers like the mvneta that can do 64k of software GRO
>> automagically.
> 
> So I think that Eric's point was that the GSO logic itself should
> throttle back and not build so big packets when the link rate is lower.
> Might be worth it to check if this is actually the case, and if not to
> get GSO fixed rather than disabling it.
> 
> Also, are there actually any modems that will negotiate ethernet line
> rates less than a gigabit?

	Yes, there are XDSL Modem(routers) that only have fast-ethernet ports. Not sure how rare these are though.

Best Regards
	Sebastian


> 
>> Along the way to mainlining it, cake's behavior got changed, to scale
>> well to 50Gbit by allowing GSO above a 1gbit shaped rate, and *always
>> allowing GSO at line rate*.
>> 
>>        if (q->rate_bps && q->rate_bps <= CAKE_SPLIT_GSO_THRESHOLD)
>>                q->rate_flags |= CAKE_FLAG_SPLIT_GSO;
>>        else
>>                q->rate_flags &= ~CAKE_FLAG_SPLIT_GSO;
>> 
>> I don't care about 50gbit. I'm delighted, even astonished, it does
>> 50Gbit. I want it to do 1mbit with 13ms interpacket latency when hit
>> by an IW10 burst from somewhere else, not 130, with hardware pause
>> frames in use on the dsl modem or elsewhere.
> 
> Getting pause frames to work properly in this setup kinda requires the
> buffering in the modem to be reasonable in the first place...
> 
>> so, I'd like to A) default to always split shaped or unshaped. And B)
>> expose the split threshold to be configured via userspace. This latter
>> option would give a tunable for those struggling a bit for cpu to play
>> with, also.
> 
> I very much doubt that we can get upstream to accept split as the
> default. It may be possible to get it to be user tunable. I don't think
> we should deviate from upstream unless we absolutely have to (that was
> kinda the whole point of the upstreaming exercise), and I'm not
> convinced that this is a good enough reason...
> 
> -Toke
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-25 10:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-25  3:34 Dave Taht
2018-07-25 10:02 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-07-25 10:07   ` Sebastian Moeller [this message]
2018-07-25 16:00     ` Dave Taht
2018-07-25 22:12       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen

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