From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x22b.google.com (mail-wm0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C22E3BA8E for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 02:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id n5-v6so20927180wmc.5 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 23:55:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heistp.net; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references :to; bh=0GsMISIKVl9+ezeHNlhLvuHqAUQxTx9Hz42bqsn+mxA=; b=S4lZD3U96yT6gBo4ngoA74fWwmNwdDYW2kaJb+YkF2+B7I9YYfE0/RF8CgoMwlxFYS eYilbgMODlzdZlvDmSwuyXhv/g30bV9tSPZFXr4mUSMEgQ4iVOfeyiOOZZ7/HhUd0E7k hZnK/Cvnt0qwaFQOAVEhuMo190YbBGkicprY00ab7vndOfHA4kGgPS408oNpCVnbVbqz B/6VzM0//Hfam/Ib6efAO5iU2ldV+/xiB+KAfy8EesEcyH7tfCjk+A+aexK7JhB5JW1K cxYzkcWZK5TriiyM3o8YjSoEsKGQWEJu+RBMb1gBXj1HD1yEFlbUhG606Od9oARxhMHz j4nQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=0GsMISIKVl9+ezeHNlhLvuHqAUQxTx9Hz42bqsn+mxA=; b=aSRIok2tTsrhMhlgXLf3WNV4pI3fg09xQI5QDJG+w1tyLV1FoyfyqM0VnjjBSEWZ87 UlWSJUu+zYw6BRsKW7rsa++q9j95eYTkrxCpaMDuxgENDk13sirscfuAHy1DLa70Oi7F 2yWmjeipxnbWsX5pT7KnJYNpPC7jQhgjoZ0WYSP86lSC9Ea8l+fZK/YtXSU9dCO97Ha5 4naVjj6M14NOihxmGbwNyKILZDhnXjtyu+itwdjqACY0jIxwaQyee0kwiEYl9X9tl0/J ApGHlqu5cGG9RacHFDppmnwRQuuiuGaoC1KeC6ZuTOqVXVLmJNbInqXrpz2Bju3CvJOd F0nQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E0L6vGjjmtA+fgmdcNe9aP2s5KNxxuWRQ7Txm9/L0R7NX6w94ql y1rERw+CzkUiuXCCevoBqIn7LDHloz8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKL97DrzXPSKg0fh12P4vScEukYDkT8ZQ8hA01w0TtnuwzImV5qGLdnomu+qYX2wPhu7ulhOdg== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:e80f:: with SMTP id f15-v6mr1149065wmh.137.1528786535227; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 23:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tron.luk.heistp.net (h-1169.lbcfree.net. [185.193.85.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g11-v6sm354426wrr.46.2018.06.11.23.55.34 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Jun 2018 23:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6A12B105-B59E-4277-AFCD-73072953653E" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Pete Heist In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:55:34 +0200 Cc: Cake List Message-Id: <6500246E-2382-48FD-8FC7-A15452D42042@heistp.net> References: <87wov5hzvq.fsf@toke.dk> <20180611125425.792d4dcc@xeon-e3> To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Cake] Bandwidith rate by host instead of global while using [dual-]srchost and [dual-]dsthost X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 06:55:36 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6A12B105-B59E-4277-AFCD-73072953653E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jun 11, 2018, at 10:17 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > I long ago ran out of motivation and money to continue working on > bufferbloat. It's fixed enough, > for those that care. It's on enough devices (more every day) now to > give those that succeed some market advantage. Any thoughts on worthy work beyond bloat? > Heaving cake over the transom is the "last" thing. And after 18 > versions in the last round, toke's fried, I'm fried, everybody's > fried. I'm very happy it started cracking 40gbits, stumped at the bug > stopping us. I wish I could even reproduce that, then I=E2=80=99d at least take a = caveman approach to solving it. > I *am* going to washington DC week after next for the lanman2018 > presentation of cake, and perhaps I'll find a way to raise some hell > with the FCC, congress, or the FTC (suggestions wanted), but... Please do. I feel we need a re-decentralization of the Internet=E2=80=99s = infrastructure and services, and the FCC=E2=80=99s actions are not = helping. I=E2=80=99m not sure how to get that across when the only = language spoken is money.= --Apple-Mail=_6A12B105-B59E-4277-AFCD-73072953653E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Jun 11, 2018, at 10:17 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>= wrote:

I long ago ran out of motivation and = money to continue working on
bufferbloat. It's fixed enough,
for those that = care. It's on enough devices (more every day) now to
give those that = succeed some market advantage.

Any = thoughts on worthy work beyond bloat?

Heaving cake over the transom is the = "last" thing. And after 18
versions in the last round, toke's fried, = I'm fried, everybody's
fried. I'm very happy it started cracking = 40gbits, stumped at the bug
stopping us.

I wish I could even reproduce that, then I=E2=80=99d= at least take a caveman approach to solving it.

I *am* = going to washington DC week after next for the = lanman2018
presentation of cake, and perhaps I'll = find a way to raise some hell
with the FCC, congress, or the FTC = (suggestions wanted), but...

Please = do.

I feel we = need a re-decentralization of the Internet=E2=80=99s infrastructure and = services, and the FCC=E2=80=99s actions are not helping. I=E2=80=99m not = sure how to get that across when the only language spoken is = money.
= --Apple-Mail=_6A12B105-B59E-4277-AFCD-73072953653E--