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From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Cake] cake for net-next 4.8
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 02:34:52 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6D370F33-92FF-42D0-AE6F-3425AE9DAFA3@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw7XCB0+9hiBbs+bSebT2_fN2D2K9=z7m2-fak-H-Wg52g@mail.gmail.com>


> On 29 Sep, 2016, at 02:26, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> All along I'd been assuming
> that a specialized TCP of some new flavor yet-to-be-agreed-upon would
> negotiate ECN and most/all its packets would be marked ECT(1), rather
> than ECT(0), and a new AQM would treat a flow like that differently,
> but still mark that flow with a CE that the endpoint would interpret
> differently.
> 
> Are you saying ECT(1) would, instead, be used as a "weaker or harder" CE?

The former appears to be the solution TCP Prague are keen on.  It doesn’t seem like a robust, deployable solution to me, despite the tremendous amount of effort that’s gone into that class of solutions.

The latter is my suggestion - to use the distinction between ECT(0) and ECT(1) as a hint, rather than a command, to slow down.  I also think we should move computation of the congestion window to the receiver, as that greatly simplifies the reverse-path signalling problem.

You may remember my description of ELR.  I started documenting it more formally, and then got distracted by something more urgent...

 - Jonathan Morton


  reply	other threads:[~2016-09-28 23:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-25 18:30 Dave Taht
2016-09-27 14:38 ` Jonathan Morton
2016-09-27 16:04   ` Dave Taht
2016-09-27 16:13     ` Jonathan Morton
2016-09-29 23:22       ` Neil Shepperd
2016-09-30  8:02         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-09-30 13:08           ` Neil Shepperd
2016-09-30 19:42           ` Dave Täht
2016-09-30 20:37             ` Neil Shepperd
2016-09-30 21:10               ` Dave Täht
2016-10-03 21:17                 ` Neil Shepperd
2016-10-04  6:33                   ` Henning Rogge
2016-10-04 16:09                   ` Dave Täht
2016-10-20  5:56                     ` Neil Shepperd
2016-09-27 17:52 ` Jonathan Morton
2016-09-27 18:18   ` Dave Taht
2016-09-27 18:56     ` Jonathan Morton
2016-09-27 19:29       ` Dave Taht
2016-09-27 19:54         ` Jonathan Morton
2016-09-28 23:26       ` Dave Taht
2016-09-28 23:34         ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2016-09-29 20:43           ` Andrew Shewmaker

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