From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=; dkim=fail; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=fail (Used From Domain Record) header.from=umbernetworks.com policy.dmarc=quarantine Received: from mail.umbernetworks.com (mail.umbernetworks.com [198.74.51.139]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B15410EC23F; Thu, 14 May 2026 21:38:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail.umbernetworks.com (files.umbernetwork.com [198.74.51.139]) by mail.umbernetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4E27021A336; Thu, 14 May 2026 19:38:04 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 14 May 2026 21:38:04 +0200 From: bob.mcmahon@umbernetworks.com To: Frantisek Borsik Cc: David Lang , Cake List , Make-Wifi-fast , bloat , Jeremy Austin via Rpm , codel@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <709dac7800ee7ad92aafd4eab1c761d9@umbernetworks.com> X-Sender: bob.mcmahon@umbernetworks.com X-MailFrom: bob.mcmahon@umbernetworks.com X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: nonmember-moderation X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation Message-ID-Hash: XYL5Z3KUZJCVFSXHUNSOOZMHODLIEPE4 X-Message-ID-Hash: XYL5Z3KUZJCVFSXHUNSOOZMHODLIEPE4 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 15 May 2026 22:16:55 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 3.3.10 X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Cake] Re: "Fi-Wi is a new forwarding plane for wireless" - Bob McMahon List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: RGF2aWQsDQoNClRoYW5rcyBmb3IgeW91ciByZXNwb25zZS4gSSBkbyB0aGluayB5b3UndmUgYWN0 dWFsbHkgbWFkZSB0aGUgY2FzZSBmb3IgDQpGaS1XaSBhbmQgbm90IGFnYWluc3QgaXQsDQoNCkkg Y29tcGxldGVseSBhZ3JlZSB3aXRoIHlvdSB0aGF0IG1vcmUgZGlzdHJpYnV0ZWQgZml4ZWQgcmFk aW9zIGltcHJvdmUgDQpSRiBwZXJmb3JtYW5jZS4gVGhhdCdzIHRoZSBhcmNoaXRlY3R1cmUuIEZp LVdpIGlzbid0IG9uZSBvciBhIGZldyANCnJvdXRlcnMuIEl0J3MgbWFueSBSUkhzIGRpc3RyaWJ1 dGVkIGFjcm9zcyB0aGUgYnVpbGRpbmcsIGFsbCBjb25uZWN0ZWQgDQp2aWEgZmliZXIgdG8gYSBz aW5nbGUgc2NoZWR1bGVyIHdpdGggZnVsbCBidWlsZGluZyBSRiBzdGF0ZS4gVGhlIG1vcmUgDQpS UkhzLCB0aGUgYmV0dGVyIHRoZSBjaGFubmVsIGdlb21ldHJ5Lg0KDQpPbiBtb2JpbGl0eTogRmkt V2kgaGFuZGxlcyBpbnRyYS1idWlsZGluZyBtb2JpbGl0eSwgYSBjbGllbnQgbW92ZXMsIHRoZSAN CnNjaGVkdWxlciBzZWVzIHRoZSBjaGFubmVsIHN0YXRlIGNoYW5nZSBhY3Jvc3MgYWxsIFJSSHMg YW5kIHJlYXNzaWducyANCnRoZSBjbGllbnQgc2VhbWxlc3NseSwgd2l0aCBubyBJUCBhZGRyZXNz IGNoYW5nZSBhbmQgbm8gTDMgc3RhdGUgbWFjaGluZSANCmludm9sdmVkLiBJUCByb3V0aW5nIGhh bmRsZXMgaW50ZXItYnVpbGRpbmcgbW9iaWxpdHkuIFRoZXNlIGFyZW4ndCANCmNvbXBldGluZzsg dGhleSdyZSBkaWZmZXJlbnQgbGF5ZXJzIHNvbHZpbmcgZGlmZmVyZW50IHNjb3BlcyBvZiB0aGUg DQpwcm9ibGVtLg0KDQpPbiBhZ2dyZWdhdGVzOiB0aGUgZ3JvdXBpbmdzIGFyZSBlbnRpcmVseSBk eW5hbWljLiBUaGUgc2NoZWR1bGVyIGRlY2lkZXMgDQpwZXIgaW50ZXJ2YWwsIGJhc2VkIG9uIGxp dmUgcXVldWUgc3RhdGUgYW5kIGxpdmUgY2hhbm5lbCBzdGF0ZSwgd2hpY2ggDQpjbGllbnRzIGFn Z3JlZ2F0ZSB0b2dldGhlciBhbmQgb24gd2hpY2ggUlJILiBOb3RoaW5nIGlzIHN0YXRpYy4NCg0K VGhlIGxhYi12cy1yZWFsLXdvcmxkIGNvbmNlcm4gaXMgZmFpciB0byByYWlzZS4gV2UgaGF2ZSBo YXJkd2FyZSANCmRlcGxveWVkIHdpdGggMjQgcmFkaW8gaGVhZHMgYW5kIHdpbGwgYmUgdGFraW5n IG1lYXN1cmVtZW50cyBpbiByZWFsIA0KYnVpbGRpbmdzIHRocm91Z2ggdGhpcyB5ZWFyLiBBIDQ4 IHJhZGlvIGhlYWQgc3lzdGVtIHNob3VsZCBiZSBhdmFpbGFibGUgDQplbmQgb2YgdGhlIHllYXIu DQoNCkJvYg0KDQpPbiAyMDI2LTA1LTE0IDE5OjI2LCBGcmFudGlzZWsgQm9yc2lrIHdyb3RlOg0K DQo+IFRoYW5rcywgRGF2aWQuIEJvYidzIGxhdGVzdCBzbGlkZSBkZWNrIGNhbiBhZGQgbW9yZSBp bmZvIG9uIHRoaXM6IA0KPiBodHRwczovL3d3dy51bWJlcm5ldHdvcmtzLmNvbS9EUERLX1dpRmlf U3RvY2tob2xtX1ByZXMuaHRtbA0KPiANCj4gSGUgaXMgaGVyZSwgYnV0IEknbSBhZGRpbmcgaGlt IGRpcmVjdGx5Lg0KPiANCj4gQWxsIHRoZSBiZXN0LA0KPiANCj4gRnJhbmsNCj4gDQo+IEZyYW50 aXNlayAoRnJhbmspIEJvcnNpaw0KPiANCj4gSW4gbG92aW5nIG1lbW9yeSBvZiBEYXZlIFTDpGh0 OiAxOTY1LTIwMjUNCj4gDQo+IGh0dHBzOi8vbGlicmVxb3MuaW8vMjAyNS8wNC8wMS9pbi1sb3Zp bmctbWVtb3J5LW9mLWRhdmUvDQo+IA0KPiBodHRwczovL3d3dy5saW5rZWRpbi5jb20vaW4vZnJh bnRpc2VrYm9yc2lrDQo+IA0KPiBTaWduYWwsIFRlbGVncmFtLCBXaGF0c0FwcDogKzQyMTkxOTQx NjcxNA0KPiANCj4gaU1lc3NhZ2UsIG1vYmlsZTogKzQyMDc3NTIzMDg4NQ0KPiANCj4gU2t5cGU6 IGNhc2lvYTUzMDJjYQ0KPiANCj4gZnJhbnRpc2VrLmJvcnNpa0BnbWFpbC5jb20NCj4gDQo+IE9u IFRodSwgTWF5IDE0LCAyMDI2IGF0IDc6MDnigK9QTSBEYXZpZCBMYW5nIDxkYXZpZEBsYW5nLmht PiB3cm90ZToNCj4gDQo+PiBUaGlzIGFwcHJvYWNoIHNlZW1zIGxpa2UgaXQgd291bGQgd29yayB3 aGVuIHlvdSBoYXZlIG9uZSBvciBhIHNtYWxsIA0KPj4gbnVtYmVyIG9mDQo+PiBmaS13aSByb3V0 ZXJzIGNvdmVyaW5nIGFuIGFyZWEgYW5kIHRoZSB1c2VycyBhcmUgc3RhdGljDQo+PiANCj4+IGJ1 dCB0aGF0J3MgYmFkIFJGIGVuZ2luZWVyaW5nLiBoYXZpbmcgbW9yZSBkaWZmZXJlbnQgZml4ZWQg c3RhdGlvbnMgDQo+PiByZWFsbHkNCj4+IGltcHJvdmVzIHlvdXIgUkYgcGVyZm9ybWFuY2UuIENv bWJpbmUgdGhhdCB3aXRoIGRldmljZXMgbW92aW5nIGFyb3VuZCANCj4+IGFuZCB5b3UNCj4+IGFy ZSBub3QgZm9yd2FyZGluZyBpbiB0aGUgd2lmaSBsYXllciwgeW91IG5lZWQgdG8gZm9yd2FyZCBi YXNlZCBvbiANCj4+IHdoZXJlIHRoZQ0KPj4gc3RhdGlvbnMgYXJlLiBGb3IgdGhhdCwgdGhlIElQ IGFkZHJlc3MgKGFuZCB0cmRpdGlvbmFsIElQIHJvdXRpbmcpIA0KPj4gd291bGQgc2VlbSB0bw0K Pj4gYmUgdGhlIGFuc3dlciwNCj4+IA0KPj4gRXZlbiB3aGVuIGxvb2tpbmcgYXQgdHJhbnNtaXNz aW9ucyB0byBtdWx0aXBsZSBzdGF0aW9ucyAoSSBhc3N1bWUgDQo+PiB0aGF0J3Mgd2hhdCBpcw0K Pj4gbWVhbnQgYnkgYWdncmVnYXRlcyksIHRoYXQgZGVwZW5kcyBvbiBib3RoIHdoYXQgc3RhdGlv bnMgYXJlIHdoZXJlIGFuZCANCj4+IHdoYXQgZGF0YQ0KPj4gdGhlcmUgaXMgdG8gdHJhbnNtaXQu IHRoZSBncm91cGluZ3Mgc2hvdWxkIG5vdCBiZSBldmVuIHJlbW90ZWx5IHN0YXRpYw0KPj4gDQo+ PiBOb3csIEkgbWF5IGhhdmUgbWlzdW5kZXJzdG9vZCB0aGluZ3MsIGFuZCBJIGFtIGFsd2FzeXMg YXdhcmUgb2YgdGhlIA0KPj4gY29uY2VwdCB0aGF0DQo+PiB0aGUgcGVyc29uIHNheWluZyB0aGF0 IHNvbWV0aGluZyBjYW4ndCBiZSBkb25lIHNob3VsZG4ndCBpbnRlcmZlcmUgDQo+PiB3aXRoIHRo ZQ0KPj4gcGVyc29uIGRvaW5nIGl0LCBidXQgdGhpcyBzb3VuZHMgbGlrZSBzb21ldGhpbmcgdGhh dCB3b3VsZCB3b3JrIHdlbGwgDQo+PiBpbiBhIGxhYg0KPj4gYW5kIGZhaWwgbWlzZXJhYmx5IG91 dHNpZGUgb2YgdGhvc2UgdmVyeSBjb250cm9sbGVkIGNvbmRpdGlvbnMuDQo+PiANCj4+IERhdmlk IExhbmcNCj4+IA0KPj4gT24gVGh1LCAxNCBNYXkgMjAyNiwgRnJhbnRpc2VrIEJvcnNpayB3cm90 ZToNCj4+IA0KPj4+IEludGVyZXN0aW5nIGZvb2QgZm9yIHRob3VnaDoNCj4+PiANCj4+PiAiRmkt V2kgaXMgYSBuZXcgZm9yd2FyZGluZyBwbGFuZSBmb3Igd2lyZWxlc3MuDQo+Pj4gDQo+Pj4gSVAg cm91dGluZyBtYXBzIGRlc3RpbmF0aW9uIHByZWZpeCDihpIgbmV4dCBob3AuIEV0aGVybmV0IGJy aWRnaW5nIG1hcHMNCj4+PiBsZWFybmVkIE1BQyDihpIgcG9ydC4gRmktV2kgbWFwcyA4MDIuMyBh Z2dyZWdhdGVzIChBLU1QRFUpIOKGkiAoUlJILCANCj4+PiBvcnRob2dvbmFsDQo+Pj4gc2xvdCks IHdoZXJlIGFuIG9ydGhvZ29uYWwgInNsb3QiIHNwYW5zIHRpbWUsIGNhcnJpZXIgZnJlcXVlbmNp ZXMsIA0KPj4+IGFuZA0KPj4+IGVpZ2Vuc3BhY2VzLg0KPj4+IA0KPj4+IEN1cnJlbnQgODAyLjEx IG5lZWRzIGEgZm9yd2FyZGluZyBwbGFuZS4gQ1NNQS9DQSB2aWEgQVBzIGlzIGNvbGxpc2lvbg0K Pj4+IGF2b2lkYW5jZSAtLSBkZWxpdmVyeSBpcyBlbWVyZ2VudCwgbm8gZ2xvYmFsIHN0YXRlLCBu byBmb3J3YXJkaW5nIA0KPj4+IGRlY2lzaW9uLg0KPj4+IEZpLVdpIHJlcGxhY2VzIHRoYXQgd2l0 aCBjZW50cmFsaXplZCBkZWNpc2lvbi1tYWtpbmcgcnVubmluZyBvdmVyDQo+Pj4gZGlzdHJpYnV0 ZWQgUmVtb3RlIFJhZGlvIEhlYWRzLCBjb25uZWN0ZWQgdmlhIFBDSWUtb3Zlci1maWJlciBhcw0K Pj4+IGNhY2hlLWNvaGVyZW50LCBzd2l0Y2hlZCBEUkFNLiBFdmVyeSBSUkgncyBxdWV1ZSBzdGF0 ZSwgY2hhbm5lbCANCj4+PiBzdGF0ZSwgYW5kDQo+Pj4gVFNGIGNsb2NrIHZpc2libGUgdG8gdGhl IHNjaGVkdWxlciBpbiBhIHNpbmdsZSBtZW1vcnkgZG9tYWluLg0KPj4+IA0KPj4+IFNhbWUgYXJj aGl0ZWN0dXJhbCBsZWFwIHRoYXQgSVAgbWFkZSBmb3IgTDMgYW5kIEV0aGVybmV0IG1hZGUgZm9y IEwyLiANCj4+PiBBIG5ldw0KPj4+IGluZHVzdHJ5IHNlcnZpY2VkIGJ5IHJvdXRlcnMuIEFub3Ro ZXIgbmV3IGluZHVzdHJ5IHNlcnZpY2VkIGJ5IA0KPj4+IHN3aXRjaGVzLg0KPj4+IEZpLVdpIGlz bid0IGEgbmV3IHByb2R1Y3QsIGl0J3MgYSB0aGlyZCBmb3J3YXJkaW5nIHBsYW5lLCBhbmQgYW4g DQo+Pj4gaW5kdXN0cnkNCj4+PiB5ZXQgdG8gYmUgYnVpbHQuDQo+Pj4gDQo+Pj4gVW1iZXIgTmV0 d29ya3MuIFRoZSBmaXJzdCBjb21wYW55IGJ1aWxkaW5nIEZpLVdpLiINCj4+PiANCj4+PiBodHRw czovL3d3dy5saW5rZWRpbi5jb20vZmVlZC91cGRhdGUvdXJuOmxpOmFjdGl2aXR5Ojc0NjA2OTM3 OTMzOTA5Njg4MzIvDQo+Pj4gDQo+Pj4gQWxsIHRoZSBiZXN0LA0KPj4+IA0KPj4+IEZyYW5rDQo+ Pj4gDQo+Pj4gRnJhbnRpc2VrIChGcmFuaykgQm9yc2lrDQo+Pj4gDQo+Pj4gDQo+Pj4gKkluIGxv dmluZyBtZW1vcnkgb2YgRGF2ZSBUw6RodDogKjE5NjUtMjAyNQ0KPj4+IA0KPj4+IGh0dHBzOi8v bGlicmVxb3MuaW8vMjAyNS8wNC8wMS9pbi1sb3ZpbmctbWVtb3J5LW9mLWRhdmUvDQo+Pj4gDQo+ Pj4gDQo+Pj4gaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubGlua2VkaW4uY29tL2luL2ZyYW50aXNla2JvcnNpaw0KPj4+ IA0KPj4+IFNpZ25hbCwgVGVsZWdyYW0sIFdoYXRzQXBwOiArNDIxOTE5NDE2NzE0DQo+Pj4gDQo+ Pj4gaU1lc3NhZ2UsIG1vYmlsZTogKzQyMDc3NTIzMDg4NQ0KPj4+IA0KPj4+IFNreXBlOiBjYXNp b2E1MzAyY2ENCj4+PiANCj4+PiBmcmFudGlzZWsuYm9yc2lrQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ0KPj4+IF9fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fDQo+Pj4gQ2FrZSBtYWls aW5nIGxpc3QgLS0gY2FrZUBsaXN0cy5idWZmZXJibG9hdC5uZXQNCj4+PiBUbyB1bnN1YnNjcmli ZSBzZW5kIGFuIGVtYWlsIHRvIGNha2UtbGVhdmVAbGlzdHMuYnVmZmVyYmxvYXQubmV0