From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DDD43B2A4 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2024 18:28:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5D43200B44; Tue, 9 Jan 2024 18:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 09 Jan 2024 18:28:48 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lochnair.net; h= cc:cc:content-type:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:subject :subject:to:to; s=fm1; t=1704842927; x=1704929327; bh=Bkgp/q165u BneOtqeBGxZAcFoVQDHU/zo3CYSjzi3hA=; b=kOpelQsCDlgP/m7Dx1u8y9i1RP dZ29bZBVAtHuJvLTmYrDkEtsbcJ0GegV9jBYZOytlN/Hr1O4WnLlOZmF0uql4rYU 0hGTxklmUDWHfZiWP762ur5rubrYtG6HRznqvKnkMAL0nzjgBz7LHA7Bi+MMILwd T6Bn8SPX6CZwNy69QVd1hCeALFrsT3czSpCj1CLFQUR8m4RjFeXmKO8IUeY6nQDa yy9/3JgSAzh670rfmsJVdUaQsfSupZeMI7v7oWP5+qzzJbsvdKIllbk4r48obJXb 2Mid+aQ7k7zIGVc/VeIDDW8iePjaE3IXbPK8cBYbBwqgJezW6P6q+kHk1w3A== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:subject:subject:to :to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm2; t=1704842927; x=1704929327; bh=Bkgp/q165uBneOtqeBGxZAcFoVQD HU/zo3CYSjzi3hA=; b=L95ZC3SYjowaqkL3GCccpyqZHcMDkcL9DX0p8HjWOHEX U/8QWZmOXPiWGmUiDD2FSOkz3P6ysLfum8Lzk7J5Ippv7OPJjXum2oIxeeoQCSN5 54BiE06oIbn12sJoVloftjYXQsCcTSyV42XlJVwA/kHwksBrz5jzijWLPa84A5Vu Yn/8MusenU862+s0ibtFsim0wXWC6QvDBYY3v7f55J3NOA+T7MnyaRAKt7O06SUw G5tyGdYMGHGqQXzEioXkA2TxiSmFITl4aSREPgL9UOBXO2nrjes/KiSy+MH+m4eO +/ziJ2+ZtwG5zQ2SqYe/PR/vkXUB+r4mp/ALtLDRcg== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedrvdeitddgudduucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhephffktgggufffjgevvfhfofesrgdtmherhhdtjeenucfhrhhomheppfhilhhs ucetnhgurhgvrghsucfuvhgvvgcuoehmvgeslhhotghhnhgrihhrrdhnvghtqeenucggtf frrghtthgvrhhnpefhjeefuefgjeelveevfffggfekjeeiudduueekheejffeffeetuedt ieehhfefueenucffohhmrghinhepohhpvghnfihrthdrohhrghdphihouhhtuhgsvgdrtg homhdpmhhtihhnrdhnvghtpdgsuhhffhgvrhgslhhorghtrdhnvghtnecuvehluhhsthgv rhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhgvsehlohgthhhnrghirh drnhgvth X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: id883430e:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Tue, 9 Jan 2024 18:28:46 -0500 (EST) From: Nils Andreas Svee Message-Id: <7DF17B18-E351-4923-9225-3A71349BEE5B@lochnair.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0E08E5CB-4497-4C23-A204-B961938579CD" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.300.61.1.2\)) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 00:28:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: Cc: dave seddon , CAKE list To: Dave Taht References: <65325791-A1D1-4E21-9F1D-D17737BCFF0F@lochnair.net> <867A6BD3-28C6-467A-977C-932DFB6B8E08@lochnair.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.300.61.1.2) Subject: Re: [Cake] Ubiquity (Unifi ) Smart Queues X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2024 23:28:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0E08E5CB-4497-4C23-A204-B961938579CD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Well my NIC has 4 queues as far as I can tell, so it could likely work, = but as you say it=E2=80=99s like killing a mosquito with a gatling gun. Those graphs are sweet though, and it=E2=80=99s been in my backlog for = awhile to do something with Grafana to get something similar, like this = one from a few years ago you=E2=80=99ve seen too: = https://forum.openwrt.org/t/sqm-reporting/59960/96 Best Regards, Nils Andreas Svee > On Jan 9, 2024, at 18:17, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > Principal limitation for libreqos on a small box is has to have > multiple hardware queues and support eBPF. >=20 > Seriously folks, running libreqos at home is *serious overkill*, > although I have to admit the traffic graphs are mesmerizing!!! One of > our ISPs has been setting them to music: > https://www.youtube.com/@trendaltoews7143 >=20 > Herbert has been working on adding all sorts of other analytics to it = also. >=20 > On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 12:07=E2=80=AFPM dave seddon = wrote: >>=20 >> Nils - I guess you could run LibreQoS on N100? >>=20 >> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 8:57=E2=80=AFAM Nils Andreas Svee via Cake = wrote: >>>=20 >>> On Jan 9, 2024, at 17:05, Dave Taht wrote: >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 10:40=E2=80=AFAM Nils Andreas Svee via Cake >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>> Though frankly, I don=E2=80=99t plan on updating the sch_cake and tc = binaries when new firmwares are released anymore, as they don=E2=80=99t = publish the GPL archives on their webpage after the redesign, and they = don=E2=80=99t respond to requests for them either by the looks of the = forums. So if it breaks there=E2=80=99s not much I can do anymore. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> This irks me enormously. It is the direct outcome of the cambium >>> elevate lawsuit, where both companies lost, the ISPs lost, open = source >>> practices long established about publishing sources, lost, and the >>> lawyers went on to other nasty things leaving this trail of awful >>> precedents in their wake. >>>=20 >>> https://www.mtin.net/blog/ubnt-vs-cambium/ >>>=20 >>> Wow, hadn=E2=80=99t read about that. They even sued an ISP just for = using Cambium=E2=80=99s software on their hardware? >>> That is crazy, just evil corporate lawyers doing their thing I = guess. >>>=20 >>> I do not know what to do about it. It also irks me that as a >>> contributor to "smart queues" they are not maintaining it well. >>>=20 >>> It leaves something to be desired yes, and I would=E2=80=99ve hoped = to see CAKE included too of course, >>> but even WireGuard is only available in the latest release = candidates with the redesigned web UI, so I=E2=80=99m not holding my = breath. >>>=20 >>> I still have an EdgeRouter 4 that serves the family farm and one of = the 8-port switches under my desk, if only because I don=E2=80=99t wanna = spend money on replacing them, and they do serve their purpose. >>>=20 >>> I=E2=80=99ve since moved though, and now live in an area that has = FTTH, so I needed something beefier to handle CAKE on a 750/750 = subscription, because obviously there=E2=80=99s still bloat even on that = ;) >>>=20 >>> One of those Chinese boxes with a N100 in it and OpenWrt on top = works wonders :) >>>=20 >>> Best Regards, >>> Nils Andreas Svee >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cake mailing list >>> Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Regards, >> Dave Seddon >> +1 415 857 5102 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > 40 years of net history, a couple songs: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD9RGX6QFm5E > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos --Apple-Mail=_0E08E5CB-4497-4C23-A204-B961938579CD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Well my = NIC has 4 queues as far as I can tell, so it could likely work, but as = you say it=E2=80=99s like killing a mosquito with a gatling = gun.

Those graphs are sweet though, and it=E2=80=99= s been in my backlog for awhile to do something with Grafana to get = something similar, like this one from a few years ago you=E2=80=99ve = seen too: https://forum.= openwrt.org/t/sqm-reporting/59960/96

Best Regards,
Nils Andreas Svee

On Jan 9, 2024, at 18:17, Dave = Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

Principal limitation for = libreqos on a small box is has to have
multiple hardware queues and = support eBPF.

Seriously folks, running libreqos at home is = *serious overkill*,
although I have to admit the traffic graphs are = mesmerizing!!! One of
our ISPs has been setting them to = music:
https://www.youtube.com/@trendaltoews7143

Herbert has = been working on adding all sorts of other analytics to it = also.

On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 12:07=E2=80=AFPM dave seddon = <dave.seddon.ca@gmail.com> wrote:

Nils - I guess you could run LibreQoS on = N100?

On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 8:57=E2=80=AFAM Nils Andreas Svee = via Cake <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

On Jan 9, 2024, at 17:05, Dave Taht = <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at = 10:40=E2=80=AFAM Nils Andreas Svee via = Cake
<cake@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

Though frankly, = I don=E2=80=99t plan on updating the sch_cake and tc binaries when new = firmwares are released anymore, as they don=E2=80=99t publish the GPL = archives on their webpage after the redesign, and they don=E2=80=99t = respond to requests for them either by the looks of the forums. So if it = breaks there=E2=80=99s not much I can do anymore.


This irks = me enormously. It is the direct outcome of the cambium
elevate = lawsuit, where both companies lost, the ISPs lost, open = source
practices long established about publishing sources, lost, and = the
lawyers went on to other nasty things leaving this trail of = awful
precedents  in their = wake.

https://www.mtin.net/blog/ubnt-vs-cambium/

Wow, = hadn=E2=80=99t read about that. They even sued an ISP just for using = Cambium=E2=80=99s software on their hardware?
That is crazy, just = evil corporate lawyers doing their thing I guess.

I do not know = what to do about it. It also irks me that as a
contributor to "smart = queues" they are not maintaining it well.

It leaves something to = be desired yes, and I would=E2=80=99ve hoped to see CAKE included too of = course,
but even WireGuard is only available in the latest release = candidates with the redesigned web UI, so I=E2=80=99m not holding my = breath.

I still have an EdgeRouter 4 that serves the family farm = and one of the 8-port switches under my desk, if only because I don=E2=80=99= t wanna spend money on replacing them, and they do serve their = purpose.

I=E2=80=99ve since moved though, and now live in an area = that has FTTH, so I needed something beefier to handle CAKE on a 750/750 = subscription, because obviously there=E2=80=99s still bloat even on that = ;)

One of those Chinese boxes with a N100 in it and OpenWrt on = top works wonders :)

Best Regards,
Nils Andreas = Svee
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD9RGX6QFm5E
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