From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x231.google.com (mail-lj1-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30E913B2A4 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 07:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x231.google.com with SMTP id t21-v6so8948456lji.0 for ; Fri, 06 Jul 2018 04:44:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=w+p7rDDmR5JioBhH03Y8o25jsoxrUiCZ8wOghFToA6I=; b=Fh7kmCL9JVo5SkSub+Jcf0mzjaM6nRXYJj6hDKDr3GpkMXE7EnavDD2LaJz1Dw+Jdv gYopGzVcVCsobnrxlLn8yXr5+sfa+S3tD3dYPiP3Z7hZ0RApLYzZi4tJjWJqmKHk25bY s0GTNAJcaxbjLvRgsjixlDrs1C+/JMNSz5ryxf0MbT2CS8eSkOw5AKU9VzEzRdq1ZD9+ RnE2eaHzibqqxUxic6mtJEdRQYsoZT85rrpKygJK8HzQaeA9mvt9roxvexgiKP1lAZqF l0RDfldTDqRI7h3nj0FLc2/LET1cbeYvZUiGCr/ufk2znpO+KnbUVLolSJXv5LTi59mi THig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=w+p7rDDmR5JioBhH03Y8o25jsoxrUiCZ8wOghFToA6I=; b=ID8reRpCQoqxS/fqBB/F8IaRKZOcZn5C6E3koOvz8KO4h/qS4/Cj3HjhdIJOtnrzFW S5xlm0uN2u+CmqIydsjYEsCaOXV0kM+QgRml2aoqWG092CzNahgJlSJNbR79jXJT1ogu QEHr/960WH0kjZUrNzw3rny3ATwXpYLLVRfIlhQsT4WWfs1aKyoaTPwot6dWHKhoCSh5 Z6/kgr93AJgnvJAHIHHskqFfi9cLIKAXJW/NsmQVZm61kV7M8VxFsObWpndUMtiWRyp0 /U04cduyifR1uJA7riIc9yTUmBS6QhDct57U2ATHjoDh1G736/9F+AGyi6XUudUrVLBU Ih3g== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E07sjLjlFsm04GlagHDeeE7qtXvhALSzqUjKuXbVpemWQc3v6dA ADJ7ztch2Zn7jnDvxWcu6vw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpeHyf02RyNT5lErs0BTQfPzI/bY4PiT4JewPcUg9QVyRbpTCIf2WzZAAJ+kTKTb+d02JOyl1A== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:6304:: with SMTP id x4-v6mr6309494ljb.9.1530877491152; Fri, 06 Jul 2018 04:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.239.216] (83-245-233-230-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.233.230]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h140-v6sm2106071lfe.3.2018.07.06.04.44.50 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 06 Jul 2018 04:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.4 \(3445.8.2\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <87in5sbnuo.fsf@toke.dk> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 14:43:59 +0300 Cc: Pete Heist , Cake List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <81AC0859-4467-47E4-B215-C2607B6B90F6@gmail.com> References: <87fu11ipir.fsf@toke.dk> <871scligay.fsf@toke.dk> <2AE036E5-BD3D-4176-9476-9EC824EC1D18@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> <87r2klh1fz.fsf@toke.dk> <87lgath01v.fsf@toke.dk> <52B2B44D-4382-404C-8F6D-03F12A72B11F@heistp.net> <31667353-48F2-4FAB-AC05-163680451719@toke.dk> <48ECB6C8-5D22-4785-A6CE-696D87EC5496@toke.dk> <73DD74AD-C2E7-4A12-AE49-C06D4486660E@gmail.com> <87fu10haw7.fsf@toke.dk> <8736wxco28.fsf@toke.dk> <87o9fkbtky.fsf@toke.dk> <87lgaobq0m.fsf@toke.dk> <87in5sbnuo.fsf@toke.dk> To: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.8.2) Subject: Re: [Cake] cake at 60gbit X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 11:44:52 -0000 > On 6 Jul, 2018, at 2:33 pm, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen = wrote: >=20 > Now, to figure out what to do about it... Okay, if qlen can be manipulated outside Cake, that breaks an assumption = I made. Let me see what I can do about changing the decisions involving = it. - Jonathan Morton