From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C9C13B2A0 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 14:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from android-e61e9610024ea52f.lan ([80.135.113.61]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Md3ZK-1cCoY745YI-00IFCd; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 20:10:50 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Sebastian Moeller Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 20:10:48 +0200 To: Dave Taht ,cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: <8294DC0D-A8C0-4302-A86D-84811774EDA1@gmx.de> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:LJ14wmqIPVOSew6wIjQQtrY5bQ7MGUZmrcZAroX+hdj27kl/t7g iiHImwQzlTGdcgTz2EelywBZZ2DcNec8BVSi3YWy0CRA7xgy7IUh8npLxvit+FB7DAgiUK+ nnTeZCkTAvqjdm+Nd24CfVb+Ew/qUao07MtkIrmTaHHXVutal3SC3xYOw2emGMBWqjwdQrU zgkTQk/VkVKaCeEq6Lpng== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:zLTf70kKr0M=:Q01dKLv1jmrewFiBH1ixI+ jHJ7dFvIYTrNbC3E2aQoJLt38okXENlhpyroR90B1IeOhD6TaX+FyHrMfim0fdsvEJCVwdZIm sBE6LgGLKzAboAXFClei1jaWYvzlUqmI3ty0PUgS2wg8yr0GBLGhvwVPvSs9skURnwFlYw8Xw crJgvrdQy50PhAWy2UoEQHfFwQDbtrsKFcPw1gBw075fsYOKk/14uxkwGj32r7vi1vCEgNA+q lckmQswqJbO8nDD5YcveXQEY070bv23/KJeItb8ipjOuE+9tve+l4r2XXYzuTklSiU0boJAmg NNFHjHtYOrknkto9640rZnQqquFGMw1SFqkvoC6TaYp9OlNPvMdvD4cvhqQ1RryN2oaaQdEwk wxNMaCU9IEw0OihSxUBv6NWWuDXXfQYQOkkF8uOwv7Cqh8grTj8LYyK+eHAWbdTPMl+rg0Ezl QcZ6m2bFs12tPQPOtIHmtHTnMzHNpIT6Tx4diHqUHv82DOL3FWenUq1aYVUD9N296wZcoSQXG ivEStwgeY+F//QvZo3Nmk2ahky3xPE2UAaAzcndhAmezpneLqfmMDKS97dSHHcMunia3aTvOH R3+l8+R3kHHsn+BeLZGZhL+03bm5Dmu4x+mlIknVYWbDbn2YWorK8MXdfWN/nfBZefHK9iwUV LlksZjlrQ96SXRKqN9XrUxFT97ZmOmRe3uM3stp1yyjn8D2aC2NJAXshEcvim146paz8eg0LR dMG13Sg3nVaebmwiPvn0zVSQq+i7IvqN/phol/FW7CTqi/DyDnoH3PBEixWEm5yssqhgPn2lz LacdcA7 Subject: Re: [Cake] why "triple-isolate"? Why not just "isolate?" X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 18:10:51 -0000 Hi Dave, Cake offers three relevant per-IP "isolation" options, dual-srchost, dual-= dsthost, and triple-isolate=2E The dual options are relatively straightforw= ard, they promise to separate by either SRC or DST up address of the packet= s, allowing easy prediction what they should do to a given set of flows bet= ween internal and external machines=2E They for example allow to set up eit= her fairness by external IP addresses or what commonly seems to be wanted f= airness by internal IP addresses=2E BUT to work correctly one needs to conf= igure the correct directionality for ingress and egress=2E Triple-isolate p= romises to do something in-between per-internal-IP and per-internal-IP fair= ness making it possible to forego having to configure the right "direction"= into the shaper=2E The goal making it easier for the user to get a reasona= ble, albeit not perfect, fairness guarantee is surely laudable; what I so f= ar have not seen is a top level description what it does exactly and data s= howing that it DTRT=2E Best Regards Sebastian=20 On October 16, 2016 7:29:55 PM GMT+02:00, Dave Taht wrote: >see thread: > >http://community=2Eubnt=2Ecom/t5/EdgeMAX/Cake-compiled-for-the-EdgeRouter= -devices/m-p/1706441/highlight/false#M132430 > > >--=20 >Dave T=C3=A4ht >Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! >http://blog=2Ecerowrt=2Eorg >_______________________________________________ >Cake mailing list >Cake@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet >https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/listinfo/cake