From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9926E3B2A4 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2024 11:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB515C0411; Tue, 9 Jan 2024 11:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 09 Jan 2024 11:57:42 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lochnair.net; h= cc:cc:content-type:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:subject :subject:to:to; s=fm1; t=1704819462; x=1704905862; bh=KFtJnWyv3V gJHhzbNk15ZF0QoDv2a3AUPh+YRmIz0Ik=; b=bQGxYfxPZy7/7xkmq/d/LMumkJ UM7V/iAZZXezflbw5ZZXWXpILxPK31CbOeGsPdTLH9oMUZAdzyfqwrlu1cSJd+cS uoTDHeieSFJ9xAcBVji8wy52gnsV6RigdiYG9TEWdhf35/zpTqO1R1MntnaRMyFY wNY1xd9ic+FTp4dbwm72Wc7uDJF3EgrdCnZIlPYFX+Uve6kJVjkX58PilqWOxX4u 9OixD2AdkzyoBGxfeWuuKtDcLbBrzZU3rN1Vd/ux0P+Cd+6ePGcq3AsV8WnkvvyY 5aje47fEp3+vJ6sfwryWZcZ0invKha7dd25NiTuxdRvtiGs520VuIFk/VPbA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:subject:subject:to :to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm2; t=1704819462; x=1704905862; bh=KFtJnWyv3VgJHhzbNk15ZF0QoDv2 a3AUPh+YRmIz0Ik=; b=UuhFXfzP/2mluXRyU5QQjLSwyO2RyWHaV4cOFIzO8+RC fIojL/7HGdj4Fty+ddiuuXZGU73SX0ThTJTWwN+pRqVIh88MIx5OGidbjUGHSJmM LNa9CMPZOB2FTqZOeCK0kxci/IfHq2Q1cOyKSCEl35Deytnb4QzIvAjg/d/QOouS 76e+t41oepgPG2nA/taa9Eed/Zb+yemNNcWPjF/IPvhiEZQH+u/u2GGMU5pLWd1D 9IeywTgJTsSwNgXgoYcuoR+J2rg5a3zncBp+xSnH8Q81M7MXex6mQzCtWy2bIlNe vdixS2d5FN4Cpq+gnvtamIpZqjKeFHzKu9NuuuhRjw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedrvdehledgleefucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhephffktgggufffjgevvfhfofesrgdtmherhhdtjeenucfhrhhomheppfhilhhs ucetnhgurhgvrghsucfuvhgvvgcuoehmvgeslhhotghhnhgrihhrrdhnvghtqeenucggtf frrghtthgvrhhnpeekudegleekffegkeekvddvhedtfeethefgiefgleekvddtveehvedt vdduieeuvdenucffohhmrghinhepmhhtihhnrdhnvghtnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivg eptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhgvsehlohgthhhnrghirhdrnhgvth X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: id883430e:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Tue, 9 Jan 2024 11:57:41 -0500 (EST) From: Nils Andreas Svee Message-Id: <867A6BD3-28C6-467A-977C-932DFB6B8E08@lochnair.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_983BA1C3-810E-488C-AE59-973A3BB6A22C" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.300.61.1.2\)) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 17:57:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: Cc: Pete Heist , CAKE list To: Dave Taht References: <65325791-A1D1-4E21-9F1D-D17737BCFF0F@lochnair.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.300.61.1.2) Subject: Re: [Cake] Ubiquity (Unifi ) Smart Queues X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2024 16:57:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_983BA1C3-810E-488C-AE59-973A3BB6A22C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jan 9, 2024, at 17:05, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 10:40=E2=80=AFAM Nils Andreas Svee via Cake > > = wrote: >=20 >> Though frankly, I don=E2=80=99t plan on updating the sch_cake and tc = binaries when new firmwares are released anymore, as they don=E2=80=99t = publish the GPL archives on their webpage after the redesign, and they = don=E2=80=99t respond to requests for them either by the looks of the = forums. So if it breaks there=E2=80=99s not much I can do anymore. >=20 > This irks me enormously. It is the direct outcome of the cambium > elevate lawsuit, where both companies lost, the ISPs lost, open source > practices long established about publishing sources, lost, and the > lawyers went on to other nasty things leaving this trail of awful > precedents in their wake. > https://www.mtin.net/blog/ubnt-vs-cambium/ Wow, hadn=E2=80=99t read about that. They even sued an ISP just for = using Cambium=E2=80=99s software on their hardware? That is crazy, just evil corporate lawyers doing their thing I guess. > I do not know what to do about it. It also irks me that as a > contributor to "smart queues" they are not maintaining it well. It leaves something to be desired yes, and I would=E2=80=99ve hoped to = see CAKE included too of course, but even WireGuard is only available in the latest release candidates = with the redesigned web UI, so I=E2=80=99m not holding my breath. I still have an EdgeRouter 4 that serves the family farm and one of the = 8-port switches under my desk, if only because I don=E2=80=99t wanna = spend money on replacing them, and they do serve their purpose. I=E2=80=99ve since moved though, and now live in an area that has FTTH, = so I needed something beefier to handle CAKE on a 750/750 subscription, = because obviously there=E2=80=99s still bloat even on that ;) One of those Chinese boxes with a N100 in it and OpenWrt on top works = wonders :) Best Regards, Nils Andreas Svee= --Apple-Mail=_983BA1C3-810E-488C-AE59-973A3BB6A22C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Jan 9, 2024, = at 17:05, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 10:40=E2=80=AFAM = Nils Andreas Svee via Cake
<cake@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

Though frankly, I don=E2=80=99t plan on updating = the sch_cake and tc binaries when new firmwares are released anymore, as = they don=E2=80=99t publish the GPL archives on their webpage after the = redesign, and they don=E2=80=99t respond to requests for them either by = the looks of the forums. So if it breaks there=E2=80=99s not much I can = do anymore.

This = irks me enormously. It is the direct outcome of the cambium
elevate lawsuit, where both companies lost, = the ISPs lost, open source
practices long established about publishing sources, lost, = and the
lawyers went on to other = nasty things leaving this trail of awful
precedents  in their = wake.
Wow, hadn=E2=80=99t read about that. They = even sued an ISP just for using Cambium=E2=80=99s software on their = hardware?
That is crazy, just evil corporate lawyers doing = their thing I guess.

I do not know what to do about it. It also = irks me that as a
contributor to "smart queues" they are not maintaining it = well.
It leaves something to be = desired yes, and I would=E2=80=99ve hoped to see CAKE included too of = course,
but even WireGuard is only available in the latest release = candidates with the redesigned web UI, so I=E2=80=99m not holding my = breath.

I still have an EdgeRouter 4 that = serves the family farm and one of the 8-port switches under my desk, if = only because I don=E2=80=99t wanna spend money on replacing them, and = they do serve their purpose.

I=E2=80=99ve since = moved though, and now live in an area that has FTTH, so I needed = something beefier to handle CAKE on a 750/750 subscription, because = obviously there=E2=80=99s still bloat even on that = ;)

One of those Chinese boxes with a N100 in it = and OpenWrt on top works wonders :)

Best = Regards,
Nils Andreas Svee
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