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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
To: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>,
	Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>
Cc: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Cake] A few puzzling Cake results
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2018 18:11:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fu3s1om2.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3457DD8E-0292-4802-BD1E-B37771DCADA2@gmail.com>

Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> writes:

>> On 18 Apr, 2018, at 6:17 pm, Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de> wrote:
>> 
>> Just a thought, in egress mode in the typical deployment we expect,
>> the bandwidth leading into cake will be >> than the bandwidth out of
>> cake, so I would argue that the package droppage might be acceptable
>> on egress as there is bandwidth to "waste" while on ingress the issue
>> very much is that all packets cake sees already used up parts of the
>> limited transfer time on the bottleneck link and hence are more
>> "precious", no? Users wanting this new behavior could still use the
>> ingress keyword even on egress interfaces?
>
> Broadly speaking, that should indeed counter most of the negative
> effects you'd expect from disabling this tweak in egress mode. But it
> doesn't really answer the question of whether there's a compelling
> *positive* reason to do so. I want to see a use case that holds up.

What you're saying here is that you basically don't believe there are
any applications where a bulk TCP flow would also want low queueing
latency? :)

-Toke

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-18 16:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-17  9:42 Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 10:04 ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-17 10:38   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 12:05     ` Y
     [not found]     ` <mailman.225.1523966725.3573.cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2018-04-17 12:22       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 13:16         ` Jonas Mårtensson
2018-04-17 13:50           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 13:47         ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-17 13:52         ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-17 14:25           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 14:54             ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-17 15:10               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-17 14:03 ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-17 14:17   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 11:25     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 12:21       ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
2018-04-18 12:57         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 13:13       ` Jonas Mårtensson
2018-04-18 13:21         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 14:12       ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-18 14:30         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 15:03           ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-18 15:17             ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-04-18 15:58               ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-18 16:11                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2018-04-18 16:25                   ` Dave Taht
2018-04-18 16:34                     ` Georgios Amanakis
2018-04-18 17:10                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-04-19  7:49                     ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-19  8:11                       ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-19  9:00                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-19  9:21                           ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-19  9:26                             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-19  9:55                               ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-19 10:33                                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-19 11:55                                   ` Luca Muscariello
2018-04-18 16:54                   ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-18 17:02                     ` Dave Taht
2018-04-18 18:06                       ` Jonas Mårtensson
2018-04-18 18:11                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-18 18:16                           ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.238.1524075384.3573.cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2018-04-19  8:31                             ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
2018-04-18 18:11                     ` Jonas Mårtensson
2018-04-18 19:53                     ` David Lang
2018-04-18 21:53                       ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-19  9:22                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-19  9:32                           ` Jonathan Morton

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