From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [52.28.52.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 491CF3CB40 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2018 06:45:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1524393942; bh=X6YXnxWDJRcp0iSJvnEXaC2qtAOW87mYbhWeSPjGkvI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=Ea0RujaJqZEK0M2m1wM2hVuIp8gulZ+ua//vW0eftdYqpKHrbumKUX2zDWlsNeWDe FAEbyQ9q1kLMsEGXJe0OeGP4EgwFKBCFD348wqG5WIu2P7gBq4HqS3oA2LpuiJFaml B8rmbJThcY0dbEw3S7vem6HSfyUiWOGrnES9iQ58tx/pdgsWD70VprrR3pjKy3Pi7s WrdN/edYGDtXM2BW09r3sAKvaFPfYpOp8Uz9TO41Eqt/zrEkneGtYa77/RXcBA29f0 9n6vtDqUAs+7cGmSuAR+8YNIsNaUr5YVDh9Cue7yYOoSxer/xwlO9Ouf2mGOlYcZsG wcUE5sDMnrNVg== To: Pete Heist , Jonathan Morton Cc: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: <25770C62-1367-49E6-84FC-D6A244DBE960@eventide.io> References: <87k1t38d2q.fsf@toke.dk> <25770C62-1367-49E6-84FC-D6A244DBE960@eventide.io> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 12:45:42 +0200 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87in8j4izt.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cake] Diffserv LLT mode X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 10:45:44 -0000 Pete Heist writes: >> On Apr 21, 2018, at 6:44 PM, Jonathan Morton wro= te: >>>=20 >>> Improved intra-flow latency could be useful for HTTP/2 or other things,= but I don=E2=80=99t see how the current llt mode helps most ordinary peopl= e with that, when it would only apply to flows with certain diffserv markin= gs, and doesn=E2=80=99t seem to adjust the target and interval anyway=E2=80= =A6 >>=20 >> Well, at some point the intended functionality seems to have got corrupt= ed, though it could be put back in without difficulty. But I'm certainly n= ot among LLT's userbase; I put the mode in mostly as a demonstration that C= ake could do it if required. If the originators are no longer pursuing the= proposal, then the mode has no reason to exist any more. >>=20 >> The bulk tin often gets its parameters adjusted, by virtue of the fact t= hat its threshold is a small fraction of the total. It happens in the othe= r modes as well. Don't take that as significant. > > I see. Well, since it=E2=80=99s not working anyway and we haven=E2=80=99t= heard > anything about it, I=E2=80=99m also for carting it away... Already nuked it from the cobalt branch :) -Toke