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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>
To: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
Cc: Georgios Amanakis <gamanakis@gmail.com>,
	Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Cake] dual-src/dsthost unfairness, only with bi-directional traffic
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:32:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k1j23ujo.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2A195F4F-2F87-4742-93BE-273B5B8DB97D@gmail.com>

Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> writes:

>>> Yes, exactly. Would be interesting to hear what Jonathan, Toke and
>>> others think. I want to see if fairness is preserved in this case with
>>> sparse flows only. Could flent do this?
>> 
>> Well, sparse flows are (by definition) not building a queue, so it
>> doesn't really make sense to talk about fairness for them. How would you
>> measure that?
>> 
>> This is also the reason I agree that they shouldn't be counted for host
>> fairness calculation purposes, BTW...
>
> The trick is that we need to keep fairness of the deficit
> replenishments, which occur for sparse flows as well as bulk ones, but
> in smaller amounts. The number of active flows is presently the
> stand-in for this. It's possible to have a host backlogged with
> hundreds of new flows which are, by definition, sparse.

Right, there's some care needed to ensure we don't get weird behaviour
during transients such as flow startup.

> I'm still trying to get my head around how the modified code works in
> detail.  It's possible that a different implementation would either be
> more concise and readable, or better model what is actually needed.
> But I can't tell until I grok it.

Cool, good to know you are on it; I'm happy to wait until you've had
some time to form an opinion on this :)

-Toke

      reply	other threads:[~2019-01-18 14:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-01 23:04 Pete Heist
2019-01-03  3:57 ` Georgios Amanakis
2019-01-03  4:15   ` Georgios Amanakis
2019-01-03  5:18     ` Jonathan Morton
2019-01-03 10:46       ` Pete Heist
2019-01-03 11:03         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-01-03 13:02           ` Pete Heist
2019-01-03 13:20             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-01-03 16:35               ` Pete Heist
2019-01-03 18:24                 ` Georgios Amanakis
2019-01-03 22:06                 ` Pete Heist
2019-01-04  2:08                   ` Georgios Amanakis
2019-01-04  8:09                     ` Pete Heist
2019-01-04  7:37                   ` Pete Heist
2019-01-04 11:34             ` Pete Heist
2019-01-15 19:22               ` George Amanakis
2019-01-15 22:42                 ` Georgios Amanakis
2019-01-16  3:34                   ` George Amanakis
2019-01-16  3:47                     ` gamanakis
2019-01-16  7:58                       ` Pete Heist
2019-01-26  7:35                       ` Pete Heist
2019-01-28  1:34                         ` Georgios Amanakis
2019-01-18 10:06                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-01-18 12:07                       ` Georgios Amanakis
2019-01-18 13:33                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-01-18 13:40                           ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-01-18 14:30                             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-01-18 13:45                           ` Jonathan Morton
2019-01-18 14:32                             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]

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