From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-f43.google.com (mail-ed1-f43.google.com [209.85.208.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF22A3BA8E for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 08:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-ed1-f43.google.com with SMTP id o10so11096701edt.13 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 05:33:50 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:mime-version; bh=vMEQnzszTAQgGKgY+kgReA/X8R6MIsgeICP6ziwgLqU=; b=Lvt+NhSwJ2XcXV5xozndmqphT6Erff2k6NKRtFa11pDrUiGdiI9unfeED8vdoy+BLR g/dhQkxyOml5dQrfQMcoP0f48Lb9QrinQy3WuoyEZ+MOO3SaeU61X5L/iw0yZFMAnKyj 7me7DjiXTh5u4jz9djE5E0Vx0NpYbyY0A/ljD/X+HerdEFEa6xL5zEjk4FdPjZI6pM0+ pGxwmKy0j/Yv//EvzCMVODlSH4H0SzugBQxQV8TKHhRES08h/zPA/LWjeotoSqRJRyL/ HIrqkZAGMBmRlXUS3493cqMZnsIHgbyBKlCwWa0XL9iMCSVyqaGF8TXoHjCp//ijuc4/ iPmw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukd4a0SBus0IqF+hiDIK4/O9rafL8K15q4vsW7mXUp1DVgmlO4QT Fd9teqcxO9ezobOmcX22tnD5wQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN5ciYU7p+ysXmgtyD/Ue9QXDBOGYHIOa1a7qZgSQtu2F0vIbdvLHpZzC1m/MKKYU8UAPqbewg== X-Received: by 2002:a50:ab5a:: with SMTP id t26mr15821488edc.293.1547818429789; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 05:33:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from tohojo-x1-rh.localdomain ([2a00:7660:6da:1:2262:af2:1f58:2146]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v43sm7357446edc.18.2019.01.18.05.33.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 18 Jan 2019 05:33:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by tohojo-x1-rh.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3B25F1833C1; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:33:47 +0100 (CET) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= To: Georgios Amanakis Cc: Cake List In-Reply-To: References: <20190116033430.8446-1-gamanakis@gmail.com> <87pnsumg8s.fsf@toke.dk> X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:33:47 +0100 Message-ID: <87pnsu3xac.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [Cake] dual-src/dsthost unfairness, only with bi-directional traffic X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 13:33:50 -0000 Georgios Amanakis writes: > Yes, exactly. Would be interesting to hear what Jonathan, Toke and > others think. I want to see if fairness is preserved in this case with > sparse flows only. Could flent do this? Well, sparse flows are (by definition) not building a queue, so it doesn't really make sense to talk about fairness for them. How would you measure that? This is also the reason I agree that they shouldn't be counted for host fairness calculation purposes, BTW... -Toke