From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [IPv6:2001:470:dc45:1000::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80F143B2A4 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 06:52:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1530010340; bh=C1n84BS3OmjgUSow79oxdnWjlCtvC5MPn3aZb5UQz2Q=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=R8XwartkXbkkoYadeJKIX7vIJBXqikO30edhHQNYaQ56d719DfyjxxoReEmYcNCV7 CcC560E3CS1skdhd082w0MMyJGNqnBZCY7RPVx7FSEtNlx0iGK7OYbOOdjO9bC9NJM 27li/KMnp4OIykCZpleZ6MOYEfgyxXAPPyHiCyt22EkeKNKvY6hHokLPo04gDrsacw zHJjjH9KbRGyvH6nPgbfMOYScmvUd2EbB3GXboJI96EktKMbpJzS8ahpIXt675Z1V6 QMf4uf/2dhfpvnnCYp7qChfXwog0HMKDBYd/TumtoEenkSPSqvxZPG4LQrOzjrbG4f D4DnctXxrBzcg== To: Pete Heist , Dave Taht Cc: Cake List In-Reply-To: References: <944870507.1373672.1529653545007@webmail.strato.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 12:52:24 +0200 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87r2ktn7kn.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 10:52:21 -0000 Pete Heist writes: >> On Jun 26, 2018, at 8:58 AM, Dave Taht wrote: >>=20 >> I got about, I don't know, 5? problematic slides, and it needs to get >> to 20 by 9AM EDT, it's 3AM and I'm gonna catch some zs. >>=20 >> http://www.taht.net/~d/cake/sch_cake_ieee_lanman2018.odp >>=20 >> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 10:14 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >>> I have to get on the plane tomorrow night at midnight and I've tried >>> to capture some of your comments and ideas in: >>>=20 >>> http://www.taht.net/~d/cake/sch_cake_ieee_lanman2018.odp >>>=20 >>> It's in its usual mess at this point - usually I don't share stuff >>> this raw! but I'm totally open to text suggestions, graphics, etc, >>> etc, etc - there's the plane flight and more than a few days left to >>> pound it into shape and after I get a feel for the conference monday >>> will end up doing another pass before the talk tuesday. What to say on >>> each slide is helpful (jokes appreciated, a lot of what I've had to >>> say so far is dripping with sarcasm which I know doesn't translate >>> well). >>>=20 >>> I think focusing on per host fq is probably the strongest point to >>> develop and I kind of wanted a diagram of a whole bunch >>> of different host types and graphically illustrating what happens vs >>> fifo, fq_codel, and cake. > > Sorry I=E2=80=99ve been heads down testing / writing. It looks like your = challenge is 20 minutes for 3+ decades of info. Quick ideas to compress it: > > 1) Merge and reduce slides 9 (The case for per-host fair queueing) and 11= (The need for host and flow fairness) > 2) Slide 14 (comparable to htb+fq_codel) could probably go? doesn=E2=80= =99t sell compared to other stuff > 3) Merge and reduce slides 17 (Deficit based shaping) and 18 (Achieving n= ear perfect utilization) and reduce content > 4) During the presentation, go through slides 1-8 quickly, but without > dismissiveness +1 to all of these. Possibly also nuke slide 13 (or move it to 'extra slides'). The setup commands are not going to mean anything to those in the audience (I'm guessing that would be most of the audience) who are not familiar with Linux/TC. > On the plus side, I think it=E2=80=99s good you re-focused this on fair > queueing for this audience. Nice work. Yeah, I agree. Very nice :) -Toke