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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
Cc: Pete Heist <pete@eventide.io>,
	Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>,
	cake@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Cake] Pre-print of Cake paper available
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 22:28:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y3hb3uae.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1804251141400.12043@nftneq.ynat.uz>

David Lang <david@lang.hm> writes:

> On Tue, 24 Apr 2018, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>
>> Pete Heist <pete@eventide.io> writes:
>>
>>>> On Apr 24, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Turning NAT support on by default might actually be reasonable, since
>>>> it doesn't really break anything if it's not needed - it just eats a
>>>> bit of CPU with unnecessary conntrack lookups.
>>>
>>> I would be for it, if it eats say < 1% additional CPU, and preferably
>>> less. I expect the impact to increase with packet rates.
>>
>> I'm a bit worried that the way it is implemented now, if we turn it on
>> by default we risk activating conntrack even when it was otherwise
>> disabled...
>
> I will say that just about every system ships with conntrack enabled, and 
> disabling it can be pretty difficult (especially in LEDE/OpenWRT), there are so 
> many things that require it that tracking them all down and disabling them is 
> very difficult.
>
> There are not that many places where Cake is going to be used that NAT or some 
> other thing that requires connection tracking is not also going to be used, in 
> the remaining cases, can it be disabled manually in configs after it's been 
> sucked in automatically?

Hmm, actually it looks like just compiling against the conntrack code
adds a module dependency on conntrack. And as far as I can tell, the
code doesn't initiate any new conntrack state if it doesn't already
exist. So I think it's safe to turn on NAT mode by default. Will add
that :)

-Toke

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-25 20:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-23  8:39 Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-23  9:54 ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-23 23:01 ` Pete Heist
2018-04-23 23:31   ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-24  5:44     ` Pete Heist
2018-04-24  5:58       ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-24  7:15         ` Pete Heist
2018-04-24  7:56           ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-04-24  8:45           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-24  8:57             ` Pete Heist
2018-04-25 18:44             ` David Lang
2018-04-25 20:28               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2018-04-26 19:27                 ` Pete Heist
2018-04-27 11:08                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-27 11:20                     ` Pete Heist
2018-04-24  8:17   ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-04-24  8:47     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-24  8:50       ` Jonathan Morton
2018-04-24  9:06         ` Pete Heist
2018-04-24  9:15           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-24  9:36             ` Pete Heist
2018-04-24  9:18       ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-04-24  9:30         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-24  9:38           ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-04-24  9:44             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-24 15:08     ` John Yates
2018-04-24  8:43   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen

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