From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x232.google.com (mail-lj1-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C78A93B29E for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2025 12:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lj1-x232.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-30167f4c1e3so20067821fa.3 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2025 09:43:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1736531029; x=1737135829; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=3gMzREiQHDQLYAA/7c+sCYh5yXDgE7svzZQp1MkmvDA=; b=NLIn3b6cDmwsx1Epu+okPPRVMefTtMb0240ZKnXajmVO6gYL2mRowdftQWeWHjTcvZ JdX/Vrh8/3OQdZ5fXTQjSFHNpIPOvRDinQd8XWqoVNYU8V5XpjYkdggBtU6exnwq024z 8lWeLsporouteHG3S4CMgOenZFok5jwaOkE6syz/oieJyj1FkxpltlQCZ1l2pzi1eGqK 4M7SgnRerPqdwcO9U9xOiHSehrN0o5AObMNK/7iPxSUEHmXSoyZisA3B66jtsCetuH7e 4Lg4e/oN2AIUy0tkXrqtAiwO68XATux6FPEFJuyjFgHoCZlxjZAIol/oDHYdNJ4BmNPr wNOA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1736531029; x=1737135829; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=3gMzREiQHDQLYAA/7c+sCYh5yXDgE7svzZQp1MkmvDA=; b=ZSzm5skNaLGk3vMfm7NpI3EPVcHJGYGZIdhgUbxzlhzfUgcGqynWlDr+1e45C4Pl97 EvfT1jFqlQXsXQLgcxSPN8lK9hIYXdaDdKg2h9IZJBiG9I8uMbM0n+kX2QluNJZSRFYD 9M10i9zZ6qJOOBHL/v2Aiw43zS7NwDqiUKzDl0WQjxl8HMCF4P5FepLxCyAKSz3w/E+1 NSpCfRdPd8Xl7Z1cFu1W4PPstbIINeh8RxCUDwViHIw5BWL2tmSnwRjoSVzga/iMtcq3 ZI91yWYks37MBRXVoQG+3ld2RV53IaD6A+wxy//TepKvtMlaAeMcPVlh6baaU7rPZ1b7 z1Mg== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXaoAOL5MzF6cgZDXLdaWPJo9qBHzDVJ2gZBkJO4zrS5z81rfv3vREttYHwPH/Wz/JS1DL2@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YypvGYNiaggNhIMDTZrFIvBOtbzMEBaAne3zuINbXFUO6RfGhHa fD6B1BlW0ipMcvwHov4TfuZLvabQC9i3wheUYSv8YO8cWDawRlv1 X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnctmliW/x77+X4tXz9m7ydfgIPe+1/VRtkclUmJvRMXc2goCPN+jEA+E1P5+Toy ipduemDPUbvm2VlZnBWUR2VMYSBmE/IJOyv9Zer/PxGOq98DDwuP5dq4G0y9kJRME0Ft1k3SPpy gchi1+ClLwOPoliupzxUEUzO8zqP2apvtrYGBbn0G5W7pT9npFhSpqx0iiFMOJqDd0P4hpch5Tc COs59ezihtAPkjwbUAIR3TiQ0rfngKNZWkGSZq9TwGsA8DlYPVR8fvFdryo0ilV8ANB5MXNqJoN 2nXuNG14i8CHCLbq6R8L/FTKYjD48lIS6M0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHnLH38vV4cVo/gQkcfFuUqSm55MOfhFIPVQz7am6mR1xjC6/xPyX/a1n2cN8FAaOLWA4YviA== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:a990:0:b0:302:34d6:eeec with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-305f45312famr36073621fa.2.1736531029095; Fri, 10 Jan 2025 09:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (188-67-132-152.bb.dnainternet.fi. [188.67.132.152]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 38308e7fff4ca-305fefd6b12sm5876551fa.0.2025.01.10.09.43.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jan 2025 09:43:47 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.100.0.2.22\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2025 19:43:45 +0200 Cc: Sebastian Moeller , cake@lists.bufferbloat.net, =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <898E9FB0-D92E-4421-8CCD-1B9F4A3D9D5D@gmail.com> References: <20250110155531.300303-1-toke@redhat.com> <2FE6B2E2-9A34-47C1-B203-F0C424F00704@gmx.de> To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.100.0.2.22) Subject: Re: [Cake] [PATCH net-next] sched: sch_cake: Align QoS treatment to Windows and Zoom X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2025 17:43:51 -0000 > On 10 Jan, 2025, at 7:07 pm, Dave Taht via Cake = wrote: >=20 > I do not think NQB belongs in Voice (which shares priority with > netcontrol, etc). I also do not think it belongs in best effort as the > intent is to get a quick response to a short flow. yes, FQ solves a > lot of problems, but As far as I'm concerned, FQ implements everything that NQB wants. In a = system implementing FQ, treating NQB traffic as best-effort is the Right = Thing. And I second the notion that slavishly copying wthe broken default = behaviour of WiFi routers is the Wrong Thing. - Jonathan Morton