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From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
Cc: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	cake@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Cake] Fwd: [Codel] fq_codel_drop vs a udp flood
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 22:33:26 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <89951A22-6568-4A07-BC52-5142DADB95BC@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1605061208440.1768@nftneq.ynat.uz>


> On 6 May, 2016, at 22:14, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 6 May 2016, Jonathan Morton wrote:
> 
>>> On 6 May, 2016, at 21:50, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
>>> 
>>> what IP id are you referring to? I don't remember any such field in the packet header.
>> 
>> It’s the third halfword.
> 
> half a word is hardly enough to be unique across the Internet, anything that small would lead to lots of attackes that inserted garbage data into threads.

It doesn’t need to be globally unique.  It merely identifies, in conjunction with src/dst address pair (so 80 bits in total), a particular sequence of fragments to be reassembled into the original packet.  If the fourth halfword is zero (or has only the Don’t Fragment bit set), the IP ID field has no meaning.  Hence the entire second word can be considered fragmentation related.

I agree that it’s not a very robust mechanism; it breaks under extensive packet reordering at high packet rates (circumstances which are probably showing up in iperf tests against flow-isolating AQMs).  It would be better not to have fragmentation at the IP layer at all.  But it’s not as bad as you say; it does work for low packet rates, which is all it was intended for.

Here’s my preferred reference diagram:  https://nmap.org/book/tcpip-ref.html

 - Jonathan Morton


  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-06 19:33 UTC|newest]

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2016-05-06  4:35                             ` Dave Taht
2016-05-06  4:44                               ` Jonathan Morton
2016-05-06  4:57                                 ` Dave Taht
2016-05-06  8:49                                 ` moeller0
2016-05-06  9:00                                   ` David Lang
2016-05-06  9:36                                     ` moeller0
2016-05-06 15:31                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-05-06 18:50                                       ` David Lang
2016-05-06 18:53                                         ` Jonathan Morton
2016-05-06 19:14                                           ` David Lang
2016-05-06 19:33                                             ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2016-05-06 19:54                                               ` David Lang
2016-05-06 19:58                                                 ` David Lang
2016-05-06 23:14                                         ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-05-07  2:09                                           ` David Lang

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