From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=connectivitycap.com; dkim=pass header.d=connectivitycap.com; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=none Received: from mail-pl1-x635.google.com (mail-pl1-x635.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::635]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FD1F711D2F for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 22:25:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-pl1-x635.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-271067d66fbso65790025ad.3 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 13:25:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=connectivitycap.com; s=google; t=1759263901; x=1759868701; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:cc:message-id:subject:date:mime-version:from :content-transfer-encoding:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=guzszNxmyGBm7mEQ77YPkb5wKWkx8Qtfc+vdjAm5/rM=; b=WGre76+VYHWvKETm/hbl0EhFRLcXeYBj35Gxdyd1s3MKtpPv5h26Caq6PfbhgwaEJd k4VxoDPRhPYN6QHJzuRt2MsEa54lsTVKdYGGYlGn8/TVR4HwVYQITUZd+MzlgUn0TuQI ab0SmTy9jpvh1Bij8vc5F2yr/yKJHE7nVPS92a5QWE1s8g163rxFuqVsYojMEgEiSBXO XgEtoYt3DmrfD2swVh+UMzFLw7wx4wN0Ih7MDiXACsz9W+0ARfUl598IFzr4SjM/V3Pd giCRP2CpLzeOjTT9PwjveaBYXnt6CJgvV33AN/dtVSwc7W3T8CX8fYqWKsU0RCUhuYfE yvZg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1759263901; x=1759868701; h=to:cc:message-id:subject:date:mime-version:from :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=guzszNxmyGBm7mEQ77YPkb5wKWkx8Qtfc+vdjAm5/rM=; b=RK36O5JPvD2Gw0pLBrK1sYI7NtRjr1DVnr3qQmI4oIgxXYRZ+kH/gxSrb+x/gBIsTT WdnrgPNL1nRLNAxnS4UTSbEofKROkTIudY/XBktzImQDiA7hq2MaygpuwXDU3sjVt72s 5EXCNIRxoRlFcNmaTgGiBAuB2mgFpPLSMssmE5DbJCecysuy6LPVBWLz9VdH7g7bpvBS 8iPzG2kA2NctbKm74yvBeJ/K3XoNgBjRWGh51hp2j0fYWEQQ9YV7fyinJqh2OE/eT41o 3xMoncRE9jJKiEx+/V2yv6QDLvyrQB2Rai5bDpnMdtPUCHVE6+bSPVXtIrovklW1o/U5 1Kpg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyRrhcJsFqmpt9M5xk4YSNMw02+OHw6DDPShE+KOEzo7GvIkx20 nrzX8wX83BpGvQTqYqzqMXayFVmxrEvrkMzH+pu4q56+gejnCADZ0x92AjCcNLjQmw8SHoywWr2 QF71A X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncu8ZHJ3JTowZBI+S4MlcHOEdyNuush94ya5m0K22RdSXzvU6hVuiQg9o4Z7kZf 0mTUOkCBBLX86dngdDCe+oFdb/Eou/oeNOGMj6DI141XE209pDAqTO00mt7HgcwzZrBDOP7XYXT UeywDJ3kKmJWV0oo8oXvBvU6fNBXznYl/EzrCrhhYjVlIxRY0xcRGMWmekp4QRmabTL7iolrW4y mrz1ei4wLRHs4RCRM1Zeuau0s3zrKzVxKJVQ+Q2jUmvsgX4x4LIZEH5CIskU4B8ZRE919GY36NL 6M1JFoK/rqrLNSf0SOC7KNt4jKLO+EUtP+PsUaZyrCpdlfoXsIB/OIMHRrFMTjBqjSBj/G4LeQC 8wmDda2+iVO7NanCt0jXI/qGi3xZ3y9OxdIiW3axw6Pf1wWtMzybVw/lvDwJ+hpgrj8qaGg9Kvj dLtTOCSKbE X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IH5tmHSheUoByJdBQb/jdZHglcNLdwxB2mBVZ0L89jJfpvWqxbZ21jcDp9tcaX6NRn/VyuQTA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:da8a:b0:24b:e55:360 with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-28e7f298231mr12421635ad.23.1759263901203; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 13:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([2607:fb90:c988:5032:b4d0:b4cc:55e7:33be]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d9443c01a7336-27ed6702cf9sm166181325ad.38.2025.09.30.13.25.00 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 30 Sep 2025 13:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: James Forster Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2025 14:24:49 -0600 Message-Id: <9390D9DA-3C77-429F-A41D-E0FECD52FF06@connectivitycap.com> Cc: Cake List , bloat , codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, Jeremy Austin via Rpm , libreqos To: Frantisek Borsik X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (23B5044l) X-MailFrom: jim@connectivitycap.com X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: nonmember-moderation X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation Message-ID-Hash: TOOTNWJGJKPIUUUHT2HTMPDU2AFPZPMJ X-Message-ID-Hash: TOOTNWJGJKPIUUUHT2HTMPDU2AFPZPMJ X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 01 Oct 2025 10:30:05 +0200 X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Cake] Re: [LibreQoS] Re: [Starlink] Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16) List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Wow, that=E2=80=99s fantastic, Frantisek! Great work making this happen.=20= These sort of titles aren=E2=80=99t my favorite. I think I understand the se= ntiment but find the issues more nuanced than that. :-) If you can get clear audio, not much quality is needed for panels and talkin= g beads. Best would be a feed right into an iPhone/android.=20 Jim=