From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8274B3B260; Fri, 20 May 2016 09:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.17.3.79] ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MexlN-1bEXK03W81-00OYJv; Fri, 20 May 2016 15:46:45 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: moeller0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 15:46:44 +0200 Cc: Jonathan Morton , cake@lists.bufferbloat.net, codel@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <991C8B50-192E-431A-819F-F1C5954FF64F@gmx.de> References: <22371476-B45C-4E81-93C0-D39A67639EA0@gmx.de> To: David Lang X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:4CN26nEKoXhJOMUacoO8BU1sA+UuMyzaoZ9LR9OTYLold9Cpoep fvfKKEcVurqJkZ+hl7ZvAjOMRBBZKWkDoSCcJ/cqPan4LNGlMiKv+3Tx92opN1rMyB4Y4lR DD/81fxV8gMQJDLF4HCGU4WAmKUWgnipW9wBK44oZa/e2o66aMFerkh1eka/ZdfYbEkX3sc FvZfanuQrPvis0Er0mESg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Vj1s+KnAQkM=:/Zc/WGHuzoFGnK1uw7VCXv 0XV2x6hxOw06ClCT+BGDCB5COzJd7x44guaOaEseC7dOenwfODATuUdipxVDdeN99v2kH8Rv9 ft6zHnSw970GKxBTNKB4Zna0WnTPOvaK5/B2Xntan/cMMizDdmqyGcnthv2RlXP+SfckWzy1r MWtkREkpZQxu2cDD7UkbAd8cF8Hq+5H6UhSTJCUE5ULBDNUkIXiU2wmNnKh1VJElf8Q3EvBGT A54RpID5eH2vjiIvDvmR9gvYC54fsZkjQs9GOXzqObaoO8ERZXFh6yecoMiDYTPg6QbO5J/+6 U4gidA6vc53HBEl39kDmLmU74deAaO3yebBTxDOKHuTD/JUOggolXcxGKEZaopHY/7EGeZ/ES OwsQnGD1lxDoWLmwMHGNnabszai9XOiOH0vGvoXlCacl/FROi/4JiE3BMdBCe1spZ5SVnwoXq bJN7lUwMSMPs22J1qhYdagl2ATvs6Yfplu6NWkwX3S0y39B2oSxtf7rXa4mHfFgOQ15AUZpZI wix10rqBaR1Glxhejaua6r5eoUh6w43Vys1TvJlTH3jHW9P7HPky1Mc0jyw91fgzK4HOO1+OL /K22i4naOekdM9yW44d3t+Rm8RyHYM85pqJSFYA6VIJdY7yXCJL0BtNpMxsPWiUmillO0EdBG K8PUD3sNVqcpKbMdzwaq+0kY6zzhdL5jI0VgcKvbAqXkmAWgGp0WOPxpbAkg9ctn4ZZv3IraC D9v4wcxv+OKP43fCAlNVQbonCf6dPk1Wts2UkLzeyCvWB5qbahdfzogMKRI5O3wCudZzBS3Jl C5uNLDZ Subject: Re: [Cake] Proposing COBALT X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 13:46:56 -0000 > On May 20, 2016, at 15:41 , David Lang wrote: >=20 > On Fri, 20 May 2016, Jonathan Morton wrote: >=20 >> Normal traffic does not include large numbers of fragmented packets = (I would expect a mere handful from certain one-shot request-response = protocols which can produce large responses), so it is better to shunt = them to a single queue per host-pair. >=20 > I don't agree with this. >=20 > Normal traffic on a well setup network should not include large = numbers of fragmented packets. But I have seen too many networks that = fragment almost everything as a result of there being a hop that goes = through one or more tunneling layers that lower the effective MTU (and = no, path mtu discovery does not always work) True, do you have a cheaper idea of getting the flow identity = cheaply from fragmented packets, short of ressembly ;) ? Best Regards Sebastian >=20 > David Lang