From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x235.google.com (mail-lj1-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E7803CB35 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x235.google.com with SMTP id r8-v6so38894766ljc.10 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:57:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=oyRbY/NweXrtiS4RJZFwh99WVsovVC7VctVZrNqTbrE=; b=oEMse+l3D+mcvWPbXgvPQzP6BNGDzMyFNxMxv1RYx4rZ8AXWHyDQEaJ5rpjxF+oTO/ BP9Obgaih5D6SMfKXFMbbJiGjVPdXQIAhYo8Fx5/dL0vDJ1sxKeV0jByUd0HDDB0tAsk rtTgrS/d4i0KmHKs08VO2IgALEQI54GtbjqDFwcY4m8utq1cxjW2lhZk1IJNR/RQIrZM dSVSYORcivO07veGzfZE6mK3Y/SxcBvTUohZhlKE3PhUVeP1WOKoSZIjMkv07ywsxX0f HUSevJUHx+O//9Jyf9fMZqWIgR0YMuZNvJo4Fl0AReNieeXAQZf5V2ZiZzv7KOINAqSk 0WDw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=oyRbY/NweXrtiS4RJZFwh99WVsovVC7VctVZrNqTbrE=; b=iIXoKMMwOdprTiT9VfQKvMtlz7cu2LhqI310Qz4a1N4DGfWz0iC3ZUcglgjmlVEzV6 y7kekVXuCHoLO0MKtxz0gCeZ5nrEbOV27zvdvn/+wwU81X2hDoAQMZ7RS/gFQAi+1wEN 3CeaABYhhXfZKMBqQCyvb41NbqhCCSH82lg7RdiAFrJ+hF1Dv4buqP1VpFYQxOmeHiWi taug1HsaYQSkULFjA0FnSKkNsF2zrNErzxcQwIgGWDECA5iEn7jE3sAaeqIR0U45JREn 8eVvRya83ZS7dbm8BkkM9ceUjlJoY7DFWxMx1dc03jQlI90qKBJxXGCZUtNWu4GPJfL/ Qquw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfoggmWpj+U2zZPopsi1E3p560UvQUb4Z/yw4cd2gS1x7l73Vmc6I lpjIqEGOP0vRnMAQPGoKVq7CylW4 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV63C6mUqZSZw0qWBzCGxbtzCpTW/iC2Qf4Cr9VGOfcw/E6e9yx2OhT0fyQwYgeTk1NeGP5gzjQ== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:921a:: with SMTP id k26-v6mr28723700ljg.163.1540263435299; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (83-245-235-40-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.235.40]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 12-v6sm7087749ljj.82.2018.10.22.19.57.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <87r2ghxti0.fsf@taht.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 05:57:13 +0300 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= , cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9AE30602-8D22-41E7-BA12-C24940659FFF@gmail.com> References: <87mur5fz1q.fsf@toke.dk> <87r2ghxti0.fsf@taht.net> To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Cake] Linux 4.19 released... X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 02:57:16 -0000 > On 23 Oct, 2018, at 5:54 am, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 >> The Internet would simply work better >> if AQM was a standard feature at all bottlenecks. >=20 > FQ+AQM. :) Ideally yes. But AQM by itself would be a start, and theoretically the = hardware out there can mostly do it to some degree already, just nobody = (within epsilon) has bothered to turn it on. - Jonathan Morton