From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x22a.google.com (mail-wm0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18E643B29E for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 04:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id w137-v6so858039wmw.1 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 01:33:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heistp.net; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=vF7eV1nJyBsFv6TY2t5qNjWktB2XqDAwozUK/PVvkE8=; b=LL25mT8R9h42C2w8BtcQOR5rzTUp05gfMcinj3v1dcksUAiqI5lUuBN0tnc6mgjUnV q60k5fqbxmJPaZV25DNxf4vefa05ZgmQ+F8Um3/KhUO0eVjsuz4VUXySlSwEvBKsyRrH DU9AebCdPQGo8hr75w2/uwq34OE86RgxHAI1s1Jxlw2XIWl0Va00m0aXGDiGvpFbiHuS lt6KdIYRug2//Q+U9xk6Vtr9WBk6wKuyNZWsfTzeEka9CUoweSusrRF/PUD/kwfleI9o 9IZblPGRLFgsbyjAMERj5s/bpndhXtSWRsbDe1YTsLN8nBYzezaXpuyFirCZ9777VJmO tNSA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=vF7eV1nJyBsFv6TY2t5qNjWktB2XqDAwozUK/PVvkE8=; b=XT2/+z0cntcR45HaIhsQ6fVJBMi3iJOnM+Glvz6XeQiNocZbHlCvAvBXxRCpuFEoun R9P0nUaM0GqsNh60AMoDWoTa97Xe4HAaOk7r6BUEEVujVcmQq0W/R3hgLSKdGIPBEkyz Vr9tQ82tt6vDIEFZ+4CuCRBJEbq50CI47QH7XYw55GWREgAj9AHoycjyhzuqhovUY201 zLeF9uJkBU0y2CaFmhHMSVa63WlpLkRkd6EVlD/p54ks5pljJAB3uEMt4xFVlxzBwShe QRRXPLFslmy5DW8NxXcjAOtqa9iuzD90xLM9w7L2eIshGsc9X8B8TghlLQkVCGxmNNx0 s8bA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E1hRUIFKpeVS/fn82Sh/sa3U6xoZgN5gVbOy0gGYcAhNNg6zfOj nMXzeIdafBCAbKULQ144xs6Aig== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpcRCXltNkXT2ErJQRD+0EzPghyI3zXxdXyeeFBAApcvdM0Ilda79EhQcvjYnLasjnfNqA8Ajw== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:7eca:: with SMTP id z193-v6mr791245wmc.139.1530001993144; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 01:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tron.luk.heistp.net (h-1169.lbcfree.net. [185.193.85.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z5-v6sm1059503wrh.10.2018.06.26.01.33.12 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Jun 2018 01:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.4 \(3445.8.2\)) From: Pete Heist In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 10:33:11 +0200 Cc: Cake List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <944870507.1373672.1529653545007@webmail.strato.de> To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.8.2) Subject: Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 08:33:14 -0000 > On Jun 26, 2018, at 8:58 AM, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > I got about, I don't know, 5? problematic slides, and it needs to get > to 20 by 9AM EDT, it's 3AM and I'm gonna catch some zs. >=20 > http://www.taht.net/~d/cake/sch_cake_ieee_lanman2018.odp >=20 > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 10:14 PM, Dave Taht = wrote: >> I have to get on the plane tomorrow night at midnight and I've tried >> to capture some of your comments and ideas in: >>=20 >> http://www.taht.net/~d/cake/sch_cake_ieee_lanman2018.odp >>=20 >> It's in its usual mess at this point - usually I don't share stuff >> this raw! but I'm totally open to text suggestions, graphics, etc, >> etc, etc - there's the plane flight and more than a few days left to >> pound it into shape and after I get a feel for the conference monday >> will end up doing another pass before the talk tuesday. What to say = on >> each slide is helpful (jokes appreciated, a lot of what I've had to >> say so far is dripping with sarcasm which I know doesn't translate >> well). >>=20 >> I think focusing on per host fq is probably the strongest point to >> develop and I kind of wanted a diagram of a whole bunch >> of different host types and graphically illustrating what happens vs >> fifo, fq_codel, and cake. Sorry I=E2=80=99ve been heads down testing / writing. It looks like your = challenge is 20 minutes for 3+ decades of info. Quick ideas to compress = it: 1) Merge and reduce slides 9 (The case for per-host fair queueing) and = 11 (The need for host and flow fairness) 2) Slide 14 (comparable to htb+fq_codel) could probably go? doesn=E2=80=99= t sell compared to other stuff 3) Merge and reduce slides 17 (Deficit based shaping) and 18 (Achieving = near perfect utilization) and reduce content 4) During the presentation, go through slides 1-8 quickly, but without = dismissiveness On the plus side, I think it=E2=80=99s good you re-focused this on fair = queueing for this audience. Nice work. Possible joke: =E2=80=9CTank, I need a pilot program for a B-212 = helicopter, and for SQM and Cake..."