From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7055E3B29D for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 10:46:20 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1671551179; bh=8kVAtF78efmqIBmmbt/4IWRn54Lyz6wjsF/rLzX5xOc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:Subject:Date:To; b=mgTqrdXfepufO7DkeeA0nubldE9SnIsb4fzy7X5A8bY2nKSON42H19Ic+XJ68dcGP cuXFZxXhNYGPye8FbaX8aYBjB1yZP+v8RY+VPr5q5m7m4Edh7WqxCB58HSGDWCvJVs iwbOUMU11ljP0T5eCqEZAaKE7cxWccWNMws2ClxVF5RxWaay1EDaR6bpWE1PGeUfUU EPygTllniupY2tLoUFG/35PQPajYzN6pt5YYgrjj7Upk96FfYUZFIt/chzz+ZMJtdZ hS7UU95FrkfBg4SQsIyacoufgMA518gY/fgnDxeTo45SushKSPK6zsWw7+eXtIaR2f 4W0LK0veesNvA== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from smtpclient.apple ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N8ob6-1on7qH0Wta-015oyn for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 16:46:19 +0100 From: Sebastian Moeller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 16:46:18 +0100 To: Cake List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:TBDK9y2FSSlBpmZ7YCEot7lNJgiuv1bitJU8FpVdlHDXADK/NIE au+8JgHeoQX/Nop+k6kd1z0h+7/ljja0c2SlGlfO2cBsmwLY9oxJ03JUFq1CZBKaKIWiXNN Lm+4sAxo+6T3A/Bq7O3oOO0g/pm8veWjqCd1FnhsHlhGuBOnDoJ/tcQH3ptS5Qv//1igngz ek5Zn8FOfxqYCdnoAdPKw== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:f9QIxhrzN0o=;5jfzBNOEp4AXewuffQVvtepCcQf p2r8aQcNH6PilmKgTpb8in0xmXkeiIK9YuVPBcdQosU0KbNhXcC+3GaF80rtwaSfIXaMKmSF0 T2+/JFMHKE8nQfUD8mp3ON842gv2k/8yiQPEY2sX7yUgxlUzE9eyImom8fIVytBTAGpWNgicR 7sqiAs5EvqI9RPWxEvFFklVuizULKGbcvOIHLuv+HOxnK/Gv0jsRD+QFMzLWq/zxjU3GDba0o RQk8u0K+WLkhVaOeU9zw/IUi6e+H/+5Ye4xozAGRMMacbfsprfe5eNZ8Oh8JQihUZxiRi27HN p3ug5rhTX90ib5Y4owGCyQydVWh35Ds/BYFm/DFyC3jIicIwX3QPF9rzNSgAP2saZFlAQxK8R lWluPRmtXoUua6bg/jZIE6+jPznA0mrek8EUqm+SdYJWpxbWjZysHE26+HP3gF7/Gz7KPWS8m /eyzZdg81KCYjYqtiEkNZbGE2HbRFBw7eid0Th3qKsh3OUam1wvpTICdXMmiyWM7LYpKfyUvh XoHC5lMwsTA5kkSNWI9bEeBKyFJ8+w+rZWvbeRDs6fFGyoHrQA7hOV0YCfpNFmrEemwbjNd/i YxlXq1Jn8vCAxWY8Kwjb/Ilyg3JjU5Xa6WXQ3SIVOSczu+a6wltVjJcA/S4nU9AXR7BTrqy0I zZPxNwpD1V3l3pxbWVawG9IPX8vZQ5+1G0oLX/LnsJwSsAgTcPUUeIa4IrenEQtPOwXKDRtoP yhMGcEbUgLdN64zvZnH0R4o1i61VcEfrNvzT7GrgtCoWyFiLsKGV2BEj8uhjooBbLfrVgSYuY bBCFupdjt+xDxobw/mnBf6TZob6v3E04ZRG2XdeQxsYrxmLcXSxfMKKUb3PFdGofEl+X+4bD1 HQzHIp9T8YbKREj+07kjPMX3S2cBifSU8Ln66xWKCBELCdqgVe/2xVH9Ald/5mFeLPGvcDQAr 9s3YPKgU+eF1umHyWG1ZsLFiVjQ= Subject: [Cake] AVM seems to be shipping cake X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 15:46:20 -0000 Dear all, just had a look in a recent firmware archive for AVM's fritzbox 7530, = and 'strings dsld' (dsld is AVM's single blob "magic binary dsl deamon" = that encapsulates a lot of their value proposition) reveals that they = likely are using cake*: qdisc add dev %s handle 10:0 root cake bandwidth %ukbit besteffort %s %s = dual-dsthost ingress = = =20 qdisc add dev %s handle 10:0 root cake bandwidth %ukbit besteffort = overhead %d dual-dsthost ingress =20 I failed to find the matching dual-srchost entry so they might use = something else for egress. I have no insight whether/how this can be = actiated (not using a fb7530 myself), but at least this is making it out = to the unwashed masses in Germany... (The FB7530 is the "value" box for = the most recent DSL variant deployed in Germany, profile 35b vectoring, = sold under the moniker "super-vectoring"). *) makes sense some months ago they posted a video promising enhances = fairness for internal users, I was puzzled at the time how they would = implement that, but it seems that they did not re-invent the wheel here = but went for=20 Regards Sebastian P.S.: To my joy they also seem to diligently set overhead, for their = HTB/TBF instances using tc-stab...=