From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf1-x131.google.com (mail-lf1-x131.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 079033CB35 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 22:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lf1-x131.google.com with SMTP id f16so2406576lfk.12 for ; Sun, 03 Mar 2019 19:17:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=4aoRXDEUYuyCM6zE1NdEcdR4eCYJMUxAiSJt+uCAqXI=; b=iyx+GpHxzSVj3rkdjeW+U3bruXen7Kc7RO2phywfkjGK/YwWNTmQyYqf/Wu5Gflsft 9eCGnqel1khZK3KQCxQExixkslb+XcJbhgyRmvW/3VGezmAXvxykxJ7D/pqrrZOufZHp Ms/agl/EZkvbTptfPcXSkKXWBtZ4clVlPBJUyC4SYuP2p86I278BCZd2w4n7Z3RVEe5v gC80YH/h1uZHxqJatymAcKhVLF5OIRwxMu2csCy2HiQRPlCGnCTWXGcY8Sya4r/D3vzy LtIYiEQOz+4KqcP1913YU+At38pa1E6Jgof3H5rm+zd5SVcFHhbKFzv8868I+GDJuZer PZCQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=4aoRXDEUYuyCM6zE1NdEcdR4eCYJMUxAiSJt+uCAqXI=; b=YQIBqNc2a48jQv+G9x/hTZ5CDrLikBmLwatnYG29l25oBeqiYaEGQ9UoTjd9xVnK2s GU9Esxl0WHHVmoGQWjiKypm2Mle/aL41j+6ZKTV7OIuW+9pUVPPYquqUxO6FhNmu5gSU h7GjWKwFUzov+ghJggAxKUh+lL4ENvq6cDtMbrOBB/NtLwSvj8MtS0k6khy7itEYmeuq HXWY4d87dtrgmViyqqT11DcXa/YqgZo/rGTIE8Yv51Wz/QzM7+YZzBQc8rjAivhaDtZ6 o68qCAGbABBZOMuAbromIce6zw/CWfbsqNoSft4P/h+26c4rGy83rFpB+o2X9IMAtyR6 oGlQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXz1dvhxgp/eg1khYXxFaGSrStVoRyhntPhucmeFZlDY1qC/Ar+ eekjgctvLonia1cq+SfZIx8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxv1z1DUnTd5RtGQdYEEsH/1y2Ehs/JmE1wOBrQ6LW0AbikYFfhS0Bbr0ZhwG9QyfKz+HuoAw== X-Received: by 2002:a19:2bc8:: with SMTP id r191mr8173823lfr.41.1551669475806; Sun, 03 Mar 2019 19:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (83-245-234-216-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.234.216]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h23sm1342843ljk.36.2019.03.03.19.17.54 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Mar 2019 19:17:55 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 05:17:53 +0200 Cc: Pete Heist , Sebastian Moeller , =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen_via_Cake?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <72193310-7502-47B8-9554-7F8F9FA23204@heistp.net> <874l8mn9iy.fsf@toke.dk> <417E17B2-17F7-4106-A92D-C5B5AC41D808@gmx.de> <5CC769AC-AD0C-40E8-BFCA-6AD2A8162FFC@gmail.com> <49A8FB42-EC0B-41B7-8CE4-888DF3C2A88D@gmx.de> <542D3BC3-317A-4F3E-A5B6-16FF678DDFAC@gmail.com> <5C8177FD-2605-4CDD-9AA2-F0E5AF9C779B@heistp.net> <1C81557C-2FD5-4C48-BC17-F9E841D08097@gmail.com> <511C22FF-64A5-46CA-BFB9-4EA350B76122@gmail.com> <9746402E-41EA-43F9-AAE6-53C038EABFFF@heistp.net> <000001d4d1f3$c5599eb0$500cdc10$@gmail.com> To: Georgios Amanakis X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Cake] Upstream submission of dual-mode fairness patch X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 03:17:57 -0000 > On 4 Mar, 2019, at 4:55 am, Georgios Amanakis = wrote: >=20 > =E2=80=A6the fairness logic wouldn't account for that "ingress = traffic" and would yield fairer results. Well there we have a quandary, since presently it enforces fairness of = *load* on the bottleneck link, but the change would alter that to = fairness of *delivered* traffic. The current setup is arguably more = robust against adversarial traffic, don't you think? - Jonathan Morton