From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr0-x231.google.com (mail-wr0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11F8A3B2A4 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 05:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr0-x231.google.com with SMTP id q3-v6so38552917wrj.6 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 02:06:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eventide.io; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=kLtXPC4PhxYCySd3fCQDX3z1E3qWHO3SSfTQEHQggLg=; b=POTToSqjYlSfAPc3xIkSIOSPbo/V61ILQU8i9RZW7dpX2ZS3VcO2MQmFjamoasVeMR 9XThfvStVHkthXb0/C3eRYX+quWJn1klBpkwlhjOdXNAZbFUYMaSxYJysC+Z2+jG/R5J Pc8Eg6r79JTd5Ka/gz3rLSRCfKLs+H03MHBwWn3L12Tn2GdikGY5EjBBT0zlUWf1kmRc OyJ38POdafIs7Xrl1peYeZ1YBFiwClWnmDxg5FjCqZg6UHQwRlLrlpv8ooT7Ag4T8NId 6WdpYnSZFJzA+6++/K7QP/Bn5o1Hc8O8ty23BAtObFg/Pk0OSSGVPHfLI3fp9EOauUrl 8WAQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=kLtXPC4PhxYCySd3fCQDX3z1E3qWHO3SSfTQEHQggLg=; b=iz9np5GES2SRz+MNY144pH7vZsM0tc6gOEBKRpWUDFmFkjBDqE+Nk0AmVe9rmh0uTj dh4U/clzb3HTVs7TZ3G8wnES+IxHgLOtQWoCnT9OWGkkpzyYMMaQ4yYjv6mjk5bS5+VH wc65pNWKCmYgh3YdYRBxSDkTNzS+gfM7u88IJx3usv5DDRp5kzJsGPyMgcl3yXDz1QE7 txzp/nlkOIZ5e9O0VfFw+pEThMAJjWU2D4IJ+Ra43SCQXzj5AJ4VJUBWg5epqhDeASK0 uYqb60SrYHcYYDqpbjUUDErHNKi7i6+GR9hxgg2rgbMEWXF9jcdjsQ4F551ryGoi0RHk mRcg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tDVHyHq/rB+0kJha6JhOqP9LHYwNeoluw7s4MHMiVrN59vSeGd/ 3ekb8bZm4IqTgP6QvRcC3MTXnA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4+YoDRyutP01tC+eFxYiX7s9wNN7awP+swwY13xMg6h7Eb5KZ6vm9MzuuzYpRTyyQ0ghIipOQ== X-Received: by 2002:adf:ab0a:: with SMTP id q10-v6mr19896145wrc.239.1524560798928; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 02:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.72.0.64] (h-1169.lbcfree.net. [185.193.85.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 80sm15652754wml.44.2018.04.24.02.06.38 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 24 Apr 2018 02:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Pete Heist In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:06:37 +0200 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= , Sebastian Moeller , cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <871sf6xqne.fsf@toke.dk> <0E96CBE1-B3B8-4E2A-BB09-1EEDD4E390BF@gmx.de> <87o9i97zyh.fsf@toke.dk> To: Jonathan Morton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Cake] Pre-print of Cake paper available X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 09:06:40 -0000 > On Apr 24, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Jonathan Morton = wrote: >=20 >> I think, if we wanted to support the ISP case, that a per-customer = *shaper* is more useful. >=20 > Yes, I think the technology can be recoded to better suit a = multi-subscriber environment; it would no longer be Cake, but would use = some of the same key algorithms. Right, I was going to comment on the paper- where=E2=80=99s the ISP = backhaul use case? (Because I might still try to use it that way.) But I = was sure that this was already considered, and am not surprised that it = might be a different but related project.=