From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x22a.google.com (mail-lf0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1245D3B2A3 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 11:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id h129so14147493lfh.1 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 08:33:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=axv8HNw0pWA0OClGGLC5Jle/BHwqjPMPmbyIseO7KAU=; b=eTvJfj+hfmot+l9B8jLs9E7OqZomHg0V930MDC9aQFDKvrQk6BJm0HO57WaPKUI/BX 9IBZ+8CbCFVw0vQW/X0rkBcK/mY5ZveCvmM2ME7LznMcC4F5j0aBtkvYuEjZoCrJxNXk 4FNu+wAdhB09DWyicmwvyq4qczo4765UAO+WOg3KtttPLm2fprySCLKhoBpUa9q6bLE5 h1aQjBY2yqRZGeiLEU5VYpvG6MrjZ8ZxoKeG1lRXUKlpWYgmal6trpFEzOlBLUYbt3z8 zeBLVW6QBed3WEKXflamPXp7X6ZzJU6C0iV+YoDo67UWO5aJKUpoN2Jg8vbDd8KeKXzB 93xA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=axv8HNw0pWA0OClGGLC5Jle/BHwqjPMPmbyIseO7KAU=; b=PGNLbjDjSCiMm0GR7Stx8h4LKKc0XOpXU6J1BiQIHbiq2EGibr9GBxGgLYNw47ylhc 9HKwFHQxzlMZWeTkImRScdMa5UruW8Glm8a0wiRaep1ucsjLmcXNhv59AXlk7RwecdHL DRFJ+T5pT+yQWkmrGej/4EHIxvyNcCrOwsBWm8d3dMBP+Odp0rTyCWq+6o5L8KKjltBX CZ9GlZQ3X49OC7TolLlLceiOrWQwuWLfN6aEkMA6xRlEniLdLlJz+zPjNE7QJ5LEaKcI LNi2FW75n9gUklWHPFmqobNST5Kr/xpthZGpNf3CsuAIKqmsht/tkzmGva1gtq3tEVMO 36/w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJU5u0dQCO2Z9CbZoRZB8iC6ZMdAD3SHSlFBR/1qKHe/2fX8U5QT9JPOm5+GphWDA== X-Received: by 10.25.29.7 with SMTP id d7mr1389725lfd.93.1467128004808; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 08:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass.home.chromatix.fi (37-33-96-207.bb.dnainternet.fi. [37.33.96.207]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h41sm4140602lji.39.2016.06.28.08.33.23 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 28 Jun 2016 08:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <577237F9.1080209@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 18:33:20 +0300 Cc: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <857AEE56-E7DB-4981-B32E-82473F877139@gmail.com> <8AB0D25D-C1CA-45F1-889E-2F73CF8C44F7@gmail.com> <323AFC22-A092-4F59-8197-AF21EF73FD58@gmail.com> <274D3A0FA900FD47AA6B56991AAA32FDC5529FC8@wtl-exchp-1.sandvine.com> <574478B4.7080103@taht.net> <39F38477-A877-4C1B-9B7F-BB3358425F17@gmail.com> <0eb223f9-2873-7f53-c2ce-c6867ddec17c@gmail.com> <48A25043-19E2-4BB7-B634-A4003F7BE6F8@gmail.com> <01BEA343-7C07-46FA-8DC4-07BF26309FC8@gmail.com> <10d58240-e106-ff1f-a038-df5bc0ee7a36@gmail.com> <1465062599.2968.11.camel@edumazet-glaptop3.roam.corp.google.com> <6FC1BE74-748D-41C0-A80F-CE2111F20FA8@gmail.com> <577143E1.8040606@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> <577237F9.1080209@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> To: Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Cake] [Codel] Proposing COBALT X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 15:33:26 -0000 > On 28 Jun, 2016, at 11:40, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant = wrote: >=20 > Would you like me to split out 'sparse_flows' and 'decaying_flows'? No. A flow with BLUE active won=E2=80=99t be in =E2=80=9Cdecaying = flows=E2=80=9D continuously until traffic ceases on it, but will likely = jump rapidly between =E2=80=9Cdecaying=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Csparse=E2=80=9D = and possibly =E2=80=9Cbulk=E2=80=9D as well, if the drop rate is = temporarily too high. Jittery stats are hard to read and use. I also have an independent reason to avoid adding more stats (without = deleting some others) - there is only so much vertical space on my = PowerBook=E2=80=99s screen. - Jonathan Morton