From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk1-x72f.google.com (mail-qk1-x72f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83B913CB35 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 13:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qk1-x72f.google.com with SMTP id a1so24255559qkc.5 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 10:44:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tyPxXvA8NJhVvj7InyIhVDgoJO0RonecgN3fzF0NePY=; b=XRKaNFC3+Utgasya/u045Y2RLcn6wWXR+Q3JTDAXbcvv9q/XhfMoVfY4lq7jTtFKJd ak4KrEEF0ktDADDwKH3MLfugGpWXdc4yvVPFZJuCEB8CCywbFvrsT1ERShRjwMnfqjqe ii9LZclTErP3rAZh6SxdKAvJayRWa83SAPA3WPVXWfMjKTYH1x3f8xO6Jx9oudTaVrs4 A0r47B2p+xwmYxfF+2mEFwN7hTPuL7b3Gimd0E6EAK5y3RSed2yOQtEgvRxzc6GLyzOR gfS3R2MN7Y4XcdTAgHu5hbDLTgttf3wdL2tlyIDmF8BLfLj/V1DzCXtOIp+NGsZgADL3 FK6w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tyPxXvA8NJhVvj7InyIhVDgoJO0RonecgN3fzF0NePY=; b=t0LELbAyAflixO8huVlnHN5gO11WQnZ6yuldou+FqVR53lka+4azl+mKEllyKRx9Ba Nyp8u1938Q/b8bb+IYAhiklP7ZXhJWIH7Wl7RPr5Zon/LpXvCotGPPvtriR4/5+HQXD5 iHLmjTSeU5RAVQQCXe4+YDqUT+qTqkzfxQ2OunA8wekDqIGZrgamrAXFC8xJ0UdWtn1T rsn1H5AsT61/d3s2HGEsxcbT9l4/gfVgBpdkzYq12JsV+kCMhnkHlDdEY0EnCcsssKKx 0G9RFMvzZrXbSEJfKm8BwriJYzF1GTA8qwMxoOqCHHZDZBQa0IPMCeraMAANqvFLUKAb QY9A== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukey2QhIkLik8xvsKS9mom1+YAUACV217tgIG4GkR0tFbnRGdcZ2 y9S5nYowiaULHH2VvbhixWtfm+fzvjF/5lF2KizVFONJ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN7HBoiZYwMAMY6N2OIhcu2tlit4VjZ/HjoUO+f8MUYan9rt0rmk3kHd5cnS24juBDO9ll/FsxxRV6QMvK6jX24= X-Received: by 2002:a37:9ce:: with SMTP id 197mr52647748qkj.164.1546800239385; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 10:43:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2019 10:43:47 -0800 Message-ID: To: Cake List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Cake] (SCE) Some Congestion Experienced X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 18:44:00 -0000 I am thinking of making a go at jon's alternate ecn approach in the ietf, before the dual-q draft gets any further. It's not just that the latest draft specifes that all classic traffic get 1/4th the bandwidth, but the total lack of analyzable source code and the frand patent... https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-ietf-ts= vwg-aqm-dualq-coupled thing is, I can't remember what he called it (EWR?), nor when/where it was discussed. Nor if there was a novel solution to the ece bit on the ack side? It turns out to be really easy to gradually mark packets by modifying the one line in item 3 (ce_threshold) here: https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/codel/2018-August/002367.html --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-205-9740