From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>
Cc: Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
ECN-Sane <ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Cake] l4s kernel submission
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 14:27:26 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw48afWujaJm8Sn+J-uEHb7iKLx57p7e5d=Qw9QyX=Csqg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CBBD435B-5A6F-408D-B17C-B28F326B49AC@gmx.de>
weirdly enough, my gmail account has not received anything from netdev
since oct 11.
yes, i think fq_codel will be better, and even the proposed
too-shallow threshold will make for less of a dent on the internet.
still... I do wish I'd seen this earlier.
On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 1:31 PM Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> Which does not change the inconvenient fact that L4S does not work over the open internet. But I bet that fq_codel with a shaper is going to be hands down the better L4S AQM compared to DualQ... (thanks to its fq nature it can forego the whole "coupling" heuristic mess and side-step the whole massive unfairness issues, and keeping the known working codel law for non-ECT(1) traffic also compared to dualq's burts intolerabt PIE variant also seems like a step in the right direction).
> Then again it seems consequent given that the BBRv2 team seem to be on-board the L4S train; to put a somewhat positive spin (lipstick?) on this, I assume that the quality of the L4S engineering might improve...
>
> Regards
> Sebastian
>
> P.S.: Witnessing the L4S drama in the IETF makes me appreciate how comparatively clean and elegant sausages are made...
>
>
>
> > On Oct 14, 2021, at 22:06, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/20211014175918.60188-3-eric.dumazet@gmail.com/
> >
> > --
> > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw
> >
> > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
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Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw
Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-10-14 21:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-10-14 20:06 Dave Taht
2021-10-14 20:31 ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-10-14 21:27 ` Dave Taht [this message]
2021-10-14 21:44 ` [Cake] [Ecn-sane] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-14 22:00 ` Dave Taht
2021-10-14 22:10 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-14 22:17 ` Dave Taht
2021-10-16 8:04 ` Jonathan Morton
2021-10-16 8:38 ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-10-16 8:54 ` Jonathan Morton
2021-10-16 10:29 ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-10-16 12:49 ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-10-16 16:58 ` Rodney W. Grimes
2021-10-16 21:01 ` Dave Taht
2021-10-16 23:57 ` Michael Richardson
2021-10-18 13:02 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-19 2:45 ` Dave Taht
2021-10-19 11:19 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-19 13:30 ` Dave Taht
2021-10-19 13:34 ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-10-19 14:16 ` Dave Taht
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