From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd36.google.com (mail-io1-xd36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C18373B29D for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 01:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-io1-xd36.google.com with SMTP id b187so22185866iof.11 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2021 22:06:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dmQEfss4iIaPFlfVPUeLn9ZN/eMQa1euPDYjYATGmis=; b=FZWIteFd+KxF95xTR5pNJzPA/w5Z+p5qPYRUTz2M/Bm1e3q7L6CLTvHoSUdSyJxUe1 J/J7RAWktnEI4JYcDta81llntJchcLpNSw2kNFMcdKK3mnRmwPMsb67tL4o3LOMAM6Yc 4rH6ZbbyjdNEAWRwiFnXtq8YQMf+uApT+fOxJi8QAWHDs+wjIGx7U8Rgx/90V3W2lFGg f7qkveAQVaZsAUZaIzwDHcZNLKL6y0wy5/0O58HwzMgdENO1qWeBFtxC+8oUE6zOFy35 bzaqWSwYULotlMoh4c8vCplPr5YSnL8iKuE0kZT0VwlXYeaIcdtqfcHZhOgrRQsxK/vA efOw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dmQEfss4iIaPFlfVPUeLn9ZN/eMQa1euPDYjYATGmis=; b=xCFAdl5l4/WiX76cbDouonZzPXKZDz7HYqw4BM1BYDoQBbn/WL206WHxLg0c08qtkN iyAOu0YEyLpsETmz0SWRdHABlP7XjLtD3EvRhjXqH8LJz2aPARQzhMDvnHmWWUz3fmt1 TNTPJ2Hk5vcANEgyUiWUJCQDuiJYBkOGLWyYAzMj2eVerIvwuN+lxfCOfYd2fyk45dKS 7tnna0+I6R39fSObZ782U5nRcTCAsKHbudR2iBoBQ+jOLQKcX15TKG73S9/mN9sKdl3f ghfpNKPgYAfXro8F1Lnl7BEJttiYMbTTlTe9f/ykfroFd3yipJchJtKw9jzkTRDvoyJ7 esBQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530NAloFCRvFR3T9ELFcU4087DuiQeH5WLN4Rgaw9p5dMgFhNAwQ MNYnmxyxyMPx4/DlFsqHN5YYPO04K9iKnVIDFZc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw3pfsbHF2uERxsbg9DO1ew7FwZ0BhDLAzCuDZKhFg7oLznPt4FynUXtVa/K+gxZxhmLUicpX9mY+V4xDj48Sw= X-Received: by 2002:a02:cf06:: with SMTP id q6mr1863569jar.62.1639462015956; Mon, 13 Dec 2021 22:06:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <18098E06-CB62-4967-B604-268063392C35@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 22:06:43 -0800 Message-ID: To: Jonathan Morton Cc: Cake List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cake] sometimes I worry about cobalt's effectiveness X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 06:06:56 -0000 ok, it looks like ecn and perhaps dscp is busted on this mikrotik release. Ton more plots, false starts, and packet captures here. https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D897892#p897892 Also well, codel is doing better than cobalt, and SFQ at least at these RTTs is doing really, really well. On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 9:51 AM Dave Taht wrote: > > It turns out the host stack is doing something really unusual, I > think. Not cake. Too many plots to post here, please join the forum if > you want to scratch your head with us. > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 9:45 AM Jonathan Morton w= rote: > > > > > On 12 Dec, 2021, at 9:34 pm, Dave Taht wrote: > > > > > > LONG string of tests on mikrotik at 19Mbit here: > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D897554#p897554 > > > > I can't see any of the image attachments in that thread, since I'm not = a member of the forum. Is there anything that screams of being something I= should be aware of? > > > > - Jonathan Morton > > > > -- > I tried to build a better future, a few times: > https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC --=20 I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC