From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x233.google.com (mail-qk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 007873BA8E for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 09:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x233.google.com with SMTP id c198-v6so9422860qkg.12 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 06:13:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rmyfSsXz92upGCugrepoKUnqUA4f/Q4fJ5/WXTeCZtU=; b=M2C53z0FKfWP9HWF59xBBDACsLtHQruP3l9/l1SdnneEIqkdttqEosjvt7/u/1vZff 26+G9+aBSWYt9J6tu/HBPZGYj/RCav3IIPZfRAphJ1hfafGvMoLKYoxbTqQg7sLta9IE 5yjZ0zFlSRGoOkEzCH4XSguTCxN76ucT6iBkP9xb4dmowLv4Am/gRbbM1mJ1/u6eyVk4 Lms4EcZlYJnb5Y5tys9IfjwPkAWBOvUs4KnyaQoE8b8MUkcJCEZnGuqPSydq/1fmuPoA E++1izDoXX7QTa09y233zWHQArn0nfeSyRIptakjW4sDWdobwE1q5/XeVjpxJsbFQ8dZ mPtg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rmyfSsXz92upGCugrepoKUnqUA4f/Q4fJ5/WXTeCZtU=; b=Y06RmO4hsq/GDzMuFFsKZFj4EI17pnLLDZ07V+IV7d1EeMV+mj5V2WBGl7a552A0wy EzPeH1lWcI0javasfG4FukIjKiPNINzmM7NopLgKwTqK8gYwFhdtlvVz0OPoel1cejFd BbEQ91n9pKCgkCCA4DYeMJeUL9HvSH3oNfHi0JfsL14smo3emifJcBMpL1t9WtYlCtzV fV0EV70aTXQdo/+InnPLhGheCYVJggezDcN6exzJyD3knXGDZpBLAGUSY2EqxEvDP++i rkaFa7V2UyCetwuFisaeXLsH+lDoSgjb7AFOpruvKWNYvEJzNBNWfSi0w1DEOFtDxJVU RaLg== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E2EfHYX9rJz+ntIl19hxxNy8/GhO/ei3EIzfbJZa5IKyhqxDF2a YccyBuJkn/wO6c3VnVo7G5O44Kya2MB74Z1jw2I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpcZlGa99QV5v9sjTKEz+0+48Z93Os7Elx/MLDGlkrIKEjlJbdgTb3asM9WocdC0fLLv93txkdZtLc3aizPFh+E= X-Received: by 2002:a37:4d1:: with SMTP id 200-v6mr1163599qke.35.1530018796495; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 06:13:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ac8:5146:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 06:13:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87r2ktn7kn.fsf@toke.dk> References: <944870507.1373672.1529653545007@webmail.strato.de> <87r2ktn7kn.fsf@toke.dk> From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 06:13:15 -0700 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= Cc: Pete Heist , Cake List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 13:13:17 -0000 OK, a version I can live with for today is up at the same url. I still have an hour to fiddle. PS I love youse guys. On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 3:52 AM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: > Pete Heist writes: > >>> On Jun 26, 2018, at 8:58 AM, Dave Taht wrote: >>> >>> I got about, I don't know, 5? problematic slides, and it needs to get >>> to 20 by 9AM EDT, it's 3AM and I'm gonna catch some zs. >>> >>> http://www.taht.net/~d/cake/sch_cake_ieee_lanman2018.odp >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 10:14 PM, Dave Taht wrote= : >>>> I have to get on the plane tomorrow night at midnight and I've tried >>>> to capture some of your comments and ideas in: >>>> >>>> http://www.taht.net/~d/cake/sch_cake_ieee_lanman2018.odp >>>> >>>> It's in its usual mess at this point - usually I don't share stuff >>>> this raw! but I'm totally open to text suggestions, graphics, etc, >>>> etc, etc - there's the plane flight and more than a few days left to >>>> pound it into shape and after I get a feel for the conference monday >>>> will end up doing another pass before the talk tuesday. What to say on >>>> each slide is helpful (jokes appreciated, a lot of what I've had to >>>> say so far is dripping with sarcasm which I know doesn't translate >>>> well). >>>> >>>> I think focusing on per host fq is probably the strongest point to >>>> develop and I kind of wanted a diagram of a whole bunch >>>> of different host types and graphically illustrating what happens vs >>>> fifo, fq_codel, and cake. >> >> Sorry I=E2=80=99ve been heads down testing / writing. It looks like your= challenge is 20 minutes for 3+ decades of info. Quick ideas to compress it= : >> >> 1) Merge and reduce slides 9 (The case for per-host fair queueing) and 1= 1 (The need for host and flow fairness) >> 2) Slide 14 (comparable to htb+fq_codel) could probably go? doesn=E2=80= =99t sell compared to other stuff >> 3) Merge and reduce slides 17 (Deficit based shaping) and 18 (Achieving = near perfect utilization) and reduce content >> 4) During the presentation, go through slides 1-8 quickly, but without >> dismissiveness > > +1 to all of these. Possibly also nuke slide 13 (or move it to 'extra > slides'). The setup commands are not going to mean anything to those in > the audience (I'm guessing that would be most of the audience) who are > not familiar with Linux/TC. > >> On the plus side, I think it=E2=80=99s good you re-focused this on fair >> queueing for this audience. Nice work. > > Yeah, I agree. Very nice :) > > -Toke --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619