From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x22a.google.com (mail-qk0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B59823B2A4 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 11:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id b66-v6so694983qkj.1 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 08:44:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mYuUjSYcfesoyE4VMmeec0ngG3r1iOetqSrksC9808E=; b=mgUDBYAVyAq7WbVWHU5qKqy8uyijXx+Mkuy9r6D/Cx1f4J2xq1UA5I1UPvq3pw+HTe tgyWdHbS/vVW0wwHlFHN7W7lQot4HTs8/bGaWzZzW8NSx1TUT1hfohUvPtHRoCQ3KcuJ R44SBggxGk8GGPUVM2lMx3bCHJnL6DrVvz7oFJ6lZdndruzNedLQ9hZWeY7Gq/rxXUWd fPqmwLY75bAQcndOjzTRkaNZncfp461fOsX9rzhzMYHfnZYa9+6fKodgqaz3LLQSG4LG QIG7CTe0H84ZIidBhZa3wDQgGoPo0022pPF0S8d15ja3pcdc7djnDm0hnr4j23W5sWJe sScw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mYuUjSYcfesoyE4VMmeec0ngG3r1iOetqSrksC9808E=; b=VVYVNmqaaUCFnqMhH5VKBRMrqY9703Wb01yh1bWYZseao2pftl0IBbHYMZKOqxB/8D B+fCI7fbMhQ+cXMZILwQn5IlrgZXayvDcES/X80UobsLF2Skv4n7BepgRp2hR3KD4PgS Ad+KN+kmdgstJ0n/4wQHH9nujRbPt+7L7kPC73qmcTIaiZ8u2gx1eWiPsWXQu5HAvXSb 9Dv1U7Ia54gNjRSp2K3zYrCuECXEsJQyFutK4S40rWlbeSuaNajDUPjahl4o80lBokIH cQzxyqzX6qNZ1o6jFfM5dzm0Ix0GmZy1eG9m2bZ8iiKmRfQcFDbuP33msWkiyOfQCt4M arSw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlGBnWhkr11RFZmALZvebjyMlCw88YXzsTYBE6qNkpz4KUAE3e1F NRSVTKM7YEpZFMqDwmgjJ0/fr0dhSmDZvuDcFds= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpfocznR1ddf5Yh8CThTgyGqFjE+9eGJYzNq5gOlpucznbOx7ay4VXD7hOjFAR5V7QumSIXYLg8jhEUbUjsS/F4= X-Received: by 2002:a37:2121:: with SMTP id h33-v6mr11810584qkh.319.1532360645290; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 08:44:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4C129A60-21D3-4B78-A764-DC8E2CD7E4DF@gmail.com> <6839ba220fe4399eba3620620515fc1dd801a509.camel@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 08:43:53 -0700 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jonas_M=C3=A5rtensson?= Cc: Ryan Mounce , Cake List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cake] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 15:44:05 -0000 On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 8:26 AM Jonas M=C3=A5rtensson wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:56 PM Dave Taht wrote: >> >> Great info, thx. Using this opportunity to rant about city-wid >> networks, I'd have done something so different >> than what the governments and ISPs have inflicted on us, substituting >> redundancy for reliability. >> >> I'd have used bog standard ethernet over fiber instead of gpon. > > > Well, in Sweden 100% of ftth connections are standard active ethernet ins= tead of gpon (and more than 60% of fixed connections are ftth). The internet was amazing in sweden when I lived there. The winter darkness wasn't. I think a goodly percentage of my continued involvement in the bufferbloat project is due to my quest for *both* good internet and sunshine. --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619