From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x436.google.com (mail-wr1-x436.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::436]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5A543B2A4; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 16:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x436.google.com with SMTP id bk15so28433320wrb.13; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 13:42:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=B0FJLQPd5VYtFuJ45Fcs6+cU+KTtWIzoVhtQdxrK8NM=; b=KKPwwagQdeFJAqWyn0sjjBtlt79+am3SQbhsXXXGwiIUGo+qJ1RrkJyUNoYwd2bE+M v2r0M6bjIKFXcHdX3ieS2oKEA0xKaePuHbAscRoVjceykU8WAuyYaSkZO9pje8fHTuZi AnmT7jF/x4GPs1qyL0EAFJk/HfH1cBjmBbzlixQ2EhHtmkccX3gXFb0U/UvRCL6fEb/f m7eQRwMWfkroj3pY3scVh12cq5I+FKNCfsRO8c80BdcmahOBjJf9JPc557IF79CvZR9R CJ6XU8T+w6baUhIHuy/8IX4xN3w4Z+nOKmc0hCHXQg7MJEJgc5GuBQ2wJT4IonPiSvxZ dEkg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=B0FJLQPd5VYtFuJ45Fcs6+cU+KTtWIzoVhtQdxrK8NM=; b=AbSGxmRikaUe2o9H01ls7IovZVyfyioigIdXKxSOJRZbWsIu5TbuQP3JKGkL06lKBy b4JLzaCe7r8xwQ/mORduCGpV+4FOBX4RtR+VNLeDC22qDPmEX6xIXBfHhZf6O37DwrNg wcBapwoaMtDqQf3JPX95/EewjsaVfZRomq0JBZmRQskpxtalRcaENa5J+JrvT020USCg u8j2Y3HJyryJb/VR6WTNs073Wkhh1UFZG0dBD/Q/u9tznkqcuQcExmnb0Sxnk8Lt5z9Y tds3f5W0GWful001IRtCsZ5Xh03uZw+ojFGiLMkZ1QrXWVUNHtnX86QVK2dzJRITU1B1 dsBg== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf1d5IpYqSpZneHHtG3WO9Z6/aJeGN23i8g/ZAEVxE+n3QwkcBLG rBRSJhDDEXqhpp8SFwazvDTU2z2N5iWWuGEmmvWVvlKP X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM5bIaHo91XvqfZyXC62ytyxYSQXeGYgadUCxpz+hWPig7Ubpp6+cubyrkx8GqfrjzRWmEgX81ALwwDxNfpCiLo= X-Received: by 2002:adf:aa8c:0:b0:236:6e59:99ff with SMTP id h12-20020adfaa8c000000b002366e5999ffmr12700989wrc.688.1666816941850; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 13:42:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <938D9D45-DADA-4291-BD8A-84E4257CEE49@apple.com> <9989D2F5-3A6A-454E-ABB8-71A29F3AAC0D@gmx.de> <4BE88889-45A9-41E4-91F6-4910530A6B4C@apple.com> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 13:42:09 -0700 Message-ID: To: Sebastian Moeller Cc: Stuart Cheshire , Rpm , Make-Wifi-fast , Cake List , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [Cake] [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 20:42:23 -0000 I loved paced chirping. I also loved packet subwindows. I wish we could all agree to get cracking on working on those two things for cubic and reno rather than whinging all the time about the stuff we will never agree on.