From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yb1-xb30.google.com (mail-yb1-xb30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61E3B3B2A4; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 10:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-yb1-xb30.google.com with SMTP id e62so16714839yba.6; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 07:43:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=S4F9yH9gPrRz7dF5romL0ozFNhgSPJq5oG4U15LfqUw=; b=Bpus7uEzoW7jGEvFW9ku23/Co79PvaZgeUvSUXou8HXUi+NsBxw+hIy4tC6wUisaCT 24HbM8JDkAsuJPJ99Dihm+7w7Q00OqWBGaqYpxCi+w3MSCuL8GE6sm353TpwatLYUIJq G5FDzJbM+jgszMiHJKpf0/t4l5LPWgZV+iivLUgpxcENAcQTk2SPamwkTIwEqELrL/GR yT0dVfm/e91igOWir5lY6ezsq8lRexM+P+ywzpa5TXNFs+TejAcCz9TbUIwt0qZWFFoc yu6CnDNDSnlw64Z6606zCsMcVJs2kDkOXCD/3onKZu/i/QyQQcIyU+lJuL7Lif77Hzhh oUug== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=S4F9yH9gPrRz7dF5romL0ozFNhgSPJq5oG4U15LfqUw=; b=xuIJgb4qp5/RksdTOaKCHKeg5ldsauY8vWUGBnuqTql46QKGyc/xP/2Z3pbghoi0I+ J6F2FBq+U8g656BS5kPCuSCebgup3LJ3hkfRPqHN+ZPhTYeENlST7Dx/ENZM8sBXC6eA W8CZL8WdIXJlerI/LPOCTgmIodDnyfeXHRuJdNjIUNPiHQ94CTtJmjCJ3DWoBmf6hjo3 n3M0+vL3yKhxx5IWS1l3FsIEky+XsiF0uf7UZKJ3uHTEeJhO3o2XlPx1Y+7AaYeWiqvs Z8rKPSYDdj5xwncmyWkMTQKAnIXEzG60wI4OGzVf63Yoed1K55ZEd3mtnXJPU5BMDrxR vxLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf3NCxs4hryGIlgzB06uzABmCBD6YZCRgp50MIILejOicfSmo45R HN6MeTn6dPsJnQzF5SXHhFf7dfMaVLNR8/9gf/E= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM6FrBZy1+X7ALEg2iDJNVRG8+/lmxGB7zMiUJOQY2LwzonY5UaS4KC+6up18gstYrz7C1KcUKP556HhQjqcNqc= X-Received: by 2002:a25:d6cd:0:b0:6be:f7bb:b91c with SMTP id n196-20020a25d6cd000000b006bef7bbb91cmr22727698ybg.422.1665499399700; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 07:43:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <72674884-9E0D-4645-B5F5-C593CC45A8F0@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 07:43:06 -0700 Message-ID: To: Rich Brown Cc: Bob McMahon , Cake List , bloat , Rpm , Make-Wifi-fast Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Rpm] [Bloat] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 14:43:20 -0000 On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:57 AM Rich Brown via Make-wifi-fast wrote: > > > > On Oct 10, 2022, at 8:05 PM, Bob McMahon via Rpm wrote: > > > I think conflating bufferbloat with latency misses the subtle point in = that > > bufferbloat is a measurement in memory units more than a measurement in > > time units. > > > Yes, but... I am going to praise this video, even as I encourage all the = techies to be sure that they have the units correct. > > I've been yammering about the evils of latency/excess queueing for 10 yea= rs on my blog, in forums, etc. I have not achieved anywhere near the notori= ety of this video (almost a third of a million views). > > I am delighted that there's an engaging, mass-market Youtube video that m= akes the case that bufferbloat even exists. > > Rich > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast I have to admit my ideal presenter is more of a neal degrasse tyson https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1579165291434897409 but ya know, I ended up thinking about doing a funny script along the flow of what's wrong with wifi... --=20 This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-69813666656= 07352320-FXtz Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC