From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oo1-xc31.google.com (mail-oo1-xc31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DB8D3B29E for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2025 14:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-oo1-xc31.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-5f88b61399dso599663eaf.1 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2025 11:36:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1737574570; x=1738179370; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=RHpcqP108J3/yK2S1NwITnMiifWzRM95cCbQbDNyUcU=; b=NUC+LBRsNctotImgf+ed9N5oWs0vTBcUtLaoY6X60t6p5XS4jQ6Hj88LA7BVOT/sov jS2jlYaGTvtI/y6eftAb3iIVAkscA9S/qaDmB4b8Z0eZmMGJ330sq+2RP9tBcoFTg1r7 4Qmfha889JSpMgpodzAuD1oPOZlV5c69aJpnLjDEx0mYdNpPAB79/BtFjNPzuVOt4o3b yj29pVXOisL+/6DympWWaXxnQvaXkjhg+9921HBTrcZDxA6hvQLtHrSwI9s2t0nGMkYP uO9cMzylR874nSfCZsl6RXP6AHXx1UP3OVUT7AQUK6V+FFqd2iaqNzzrlMGk83EhD+X+ ZuNw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1737574570; x=1738179370; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=RHpcqP108J3/yK2S1NwITnMiifWzRM95cCbQbDNyUcU=; b=KDnmCgGyXydTnqyXicmDqcA5F5nmVxdywLknRdulCdUOZVZvvSIhn4vjcFWTWp1JOg rW1vZzlYFswfh/r49PgowmCY+9xNOFWAYeQWao6SsEeJR4lWJ5LAWCRRxbdBnSdirVpG a4kDtDmiBNPnpfYamhkt2DDM2aHlhy93ovEw80qgSRwD/d+Auzp6OlyQm0vwTJXynB2l nMgftvcQ6DsU1LaEeKZDBZotcUNvCrHPzxeDvm9U+Wg9yRtmDn2sK6/0xrrku7BP1tgU 3vd5BSh1171Mcj3XFNU5OIBYzy9oIUCEiZMdTlfkE5RsYjJg/T3PbmldSEU2MpTSyZwf 8Ozw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXXDiPQrOs7TvCbexzFJuXir2tyk77hiUnmZg8V/YVxYEYywgT41HwhAYypLz4lHOk2i+/K@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzaX4RZzMFIKAOjQJoSKAglwQcGeqGdQihHZGd8E8QaHYXo+6lM wHn5hzldsGcYckrOyG67tIj5DAcdbVQwQnBdvU+fDp/g23//fJu/NFhOKWTQr6TE7LoVKGWApxY vWdZUGLSFHxwmRNOaq8aDPmex5X0= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncttQGseHB9ZXnwMgxjhGWLl/vpWVDFgdtxPVUFd+8luL9x6gdnbnTzhx0Gga2P 6W+3N0PMxXNks7wK+RMbxD2IFp8zJ1eWd5EOV8S0SGxwVy91lupLOCjSzwLTx0b1/vSPwC2Vdvy rMXnhovVYc X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IG00xnYpF37wxN+Qay7iXvTRHtkDwgPuWxobdWhD/REWZoEMwtLjgiJojh3SYt+8eW+PxIhHoeG8HrRDsxY0pU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:b290:b0:29d:f65b:85fa with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-2b271fa7f10mr393432fac.10.1737574570369; Wed, 22 Jan 2025 11:36:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20250110155531.300303-1-toke@redhat.com> <2FE6B2E2-9A34-47C1-B203-F0C424F00704@gmx.de> <898E9FB0-D92E-4421-8CCD-1B9F4A3D9D5D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2025 11:35:57 -0800 X-Gm-Features: AWEUYZlK6CxXWck2HSLL3BfcpN1YUJblWvxmCTmCTs-gJRC9iNcDZGqf6dhN9RM Message-ID: To: Sebastian Moeller Cc: Jonathan Morton , cake@lists.bufferbloat.net, =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="00000000000009c253062c509b00" Subject: Re: [Cake] [PATCH net-next] sched: sch_cake: Align QoS treatment to Windows and Zoom X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2025 19:36:11 -0000 --00000000000009c253062c509b00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This patch just moves CS4 and CS5 to the video tin. I hope that=C2=B4s ok? On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 12:34=E2=80=AFPM Sebastian Moeller wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > > On 10. Jan 2025, at 20:43, Dave Taht wrote: > > > > ok, I concede on NQB. Do we at least have agreement that CS5 belongs > > in the VI queue, not the VO queue, on diffserv4? > > As I said, I have less issues with bumping things down than up (but I am = also just voicing my opinion here, thanks for discussing, I am fine ending = up in the "rough" here). > > About Zoom (h++ps://support.zoom.com/hc/en/article?id=3Dzm_kb&sysparm_art= icle=3DKB0066617): > "The default Zoom DSCP marking values are 56 for audio, 40 for video, and= 40 for screen sharing. You can update audio and video values to allow a ne= twork administrator to adjust the priority for Zoom traffic on their networ= k." > > That 56 is CS7 for audio which I am pretty sure will not pass most of the= internet (I believe the IETF recommends to drop CS7 on ingress from other = ASs)... either they wanted to write 46 (EF) or they are just as confused as= the WiFi WMM folks... > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 9:43=E2=80=AFAM Jonathan Morton wrote: > >> > >>> On 10 Jan, 2025, at 7:07 pm, Dave Taht via Cake wrote: > >>> > >>> I do not think NQB belongs in Voice (which shares priority with > >>> netcontrol, etc). I also do not think it belongs in best effort as th= e > >>> intent is to get a quick response to a short flow. yes, FQ solves a > >>> lot of problems, but > >> > >> As far as I'm concerned, FQ implements everything that NQB wants. In = a system implementing FQ, treating NQB traffic as best-effort is the Right = Thing. > >> > >> And I second the notion that slavishly copying wthe broken default beh= aviour of WiFi routers is the Wrong Thing. > >> > >> - Jonathan Morton > >> > > > > > > -- > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos --00000000000009c253062c509b00 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="0001-sch_cake-Align-QoS-treatment-to-Windows-and-Zoom.patch" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="0001-sch_cake-Align-QoS-treatment-to-Windows-and-Zoom.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: X-Attachment-Id: f_m68b006q0 RnJvbSAyMzA1MWZkZTMyNzM4NGEzNzAxYTU4MDE0ZjYzZGE5ODAzNWQ1MzFhIE1vbiBTZXAgMTcg MDA6MDA6MDAgMjAwMQpGcm9tOiBEYXZlIFRhaHQgPGRhdmUudGFodEBnbWFpbC5jb20+CkRhdGU6 IFRodSwgOSBKYW4gMjAyNSAxODoyMzowMSArMDAwMApTdWJqZWN0OiBbUEFUQ0hdIHNjaF9jYWtl OiBBbGlnbiBRb1MgdHJlYXRtZW50IHRvIFdpbmRvd3MgYW5kIFpvb20KCkNha2UncyBkaWZmc2Vy djQgbW9kZSBhdHRlbXB0ZWQgdG8gZm9sbG93IHRoZSBJRVRGIHdlYnJ0YwpRb1MgbWFya2luZyBz dGFuZGFyZHMgaW4gUkZDODgzNy4gCgpJdCB0dXJucyBXaW5kb3dzIFFvUyBjYW4gb25seSB1c2Ug Q1MwLCBDUzEsIENTNSwgYW5kIENTNy4KClpvb20gZGVmYXVsdHMgdG8gdXNpbmcgQ1M1IGZvciB2 aWRlbyBhaGQgc2NyZWVuIHNoYXJpbmcgdHJhZmZpYy4KCkJ1bXAgZG93biB0byB0aGUgdmlkZW8g dGluICgyKSBDUzQsIGFuZCBDUzUgZm9yCm1vcmUgYmFuZHdpZHRoIGFuZCBsZXNzIHByaW9yaXR5 LgoKVGhpcyBhbHNvIGJldHRlciBhbGlnbnMgd2l0aCBob3cgV2lGaSBwcmVzZW50bHkKdHJlYXRz IENTNCBhbmQgQ1M1LgoKLS0tCiBuZXQvc2NoZWQvc2NoX2Nha2UuYyB8IDQgKystLQogMSBmaWxl IGNoYW5nZWQsIDIgaW5zZXJ0aW9ucygrKSwgMiBkZWxldGlvbnMoLSkKCmRpZmYgLS1naXQgYS9u ZXQvc2NoZWQvc2NoX2Nha2UuYyBiL25ldC9zY2hlZC9zY2hfY2FrZS5jCmluZGV4IGRlYjA5MjVm NTM2ZC4uNTJjNmZhZjJjMjczIDEwMDY0NAotLS0gYS9uZXQvc2NoZWQvc2NoX2Nha2UuYworKysg Yi9uZXQvc2NoZWQvc2NoX2Nha2UuYwpAQCAtMzI4LDggKzMyOCw4IEBAIHN0YXRpYyBjb25zdCB1 OCBkaWZmc2VydjRbXSA9IHsKIAkxLCAwLCAwLCAwLCAwLCAwLCAwLCAwLAogCTIsIDAsIDIsIDAs IDIsIDAsIDIsIDAsCiAJMiwgMCwgMiwgMCwgMiwgMCwgMiwgMCwKLQkzLCAwLCAyLCAwLCAyLCAw LCAyLCAwLAotCTMsIDAsIDAsIDAsIDMsIDAsIDMsIDAsCisJMiwgMCwgMiwgMCwgMiwgMCwgMiwg MCwKKwkyLCAwLCAwLCAwLCAzLCAwLCAzLCAwLAogCTMsIDAsIDAsIDAsIDAsIDAsIDAsIDAsCiAJ MywgMCwgMCwgMCwgMCwgMCwgMCwgMCwKIH07Ci0tIAoyLjQzLjAKCg== --00000000000009c253062c509b00--