From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-il1-x12a.google.com (mail-il1-x12a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC2663B2A4 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2021 19:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-il1-x12a.google.com with SMTP id d5so13966761iln.6 for ; Tue, 09 Mar 2021 16:57:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=blKMMVzA0nq6ruDfTEvH2F4JS7wHymS+8nnQdyHCMsw=; b=NkmUE2g44oLJd5YY/HB2WU5pwHrZHP1StWza3WFdrzSqlVjBgAo8bghm90WXOi73Hs o7bPMRrgYcsKguv/znwfLjmBafVSMUV6vZH+mL2f4GLLcDkupXHlsYBYw5MXEFTC4aUD CGySIw3lJCLTrkNZpkLFX3AuI7UzBEZnFBwOjnKaI7+Rn2QbtytE5aOMuQOLGGKryPqK gJyAi5r70g0Afd6j850rSPxV3v8KBtbwtaDaljuQ750K+cUHslse1DHzNjkb3z5lrDil XV9nnQL0F6Bngz27/5P1Y3jfhYchMGEJMX04Qbh0+bYRzilxf1oVNGxmfvY6DuM3+mfb cRFw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=blKMMVzA0nq6ruDfTEvH2F4JS7wHymS+8nnQdyHCMsw=; b=bHGllGZtOE1Dx+r3gq7NdW9vfNcqXqiGMy3e0ODSDyHlAdDNZsvVgGv8jLrace+DoR 9tWhOWBgfHjAAWL9ubRO5VmJI1jyLTJD+DFjp2KQRZjPC5V3CmKgHhBa4+OPOTOMbAen ZULJryZyzr2e6fsO+2Q3E/ErZKwLMhgd/+usu//goXtSTtVvedJQh5WMMQQWBO4ZG2o4 zqWNV/wbs0PjVRv6yTTUjFd2v49qZswUlDXXKdXYobu5YZwWOCZ9XcvdYM+9ka/+cmVQ 8/72T6E4j58HcbdtQKMjE2wB82BRdNg1t3lgXih3y328RUNQFoM+nf9Vyziw7RUFx7pJ 1j9w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532cMq1eGt6UJr2CnWQXhR8tWX46RsxBhvNtKp7hytwsWYGCiBmX EFe1vaz6Oygr2oSR5uFNSFnmVCv3+Yl7ICVq5dk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyDwa1gp3NtpoKXTrsbPiq3DGKlcB5wP7g4WzEOHtd2zdli7a4o8ZZe/jOkNQDD4KYrC4tPVBtNiN1VPK41XeE= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:f06:: with SMTP id x6mr678003ilj.287.1615337841227; Tue, 09 Mar 2021 16:57:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5407860ac65c4059838e7952ae162f9d@telenor.no> <9AADDAFC-ECCE-4023-BB68-C5CC729EC521@gmail.com> <59bb446ac8791ead9d3ce9a0f1bfff3e7d6f58d8.camel@lochnair.net> In-Reply-To: <59bb446ac8791ead9d3ce9a0f1bfff3e7d6f58d8.camel@lochnair.net> From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 16:57:09 -0800 Message-ID: To: Nils Andreas Svee Cc: Jonathan Morton , =?UTF-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland=2DJ=C3=B8rgensen_via_Cake?= , Taraldsen Erik Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Cake] STEAM tcp algo from CDN? X-BeenThere: cake@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Cake - FQ_codel the next generation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 00:57:21 -0000 I would really like them to use less flows - or BBR started up separately with a 200+ms interval between starts would be good.... On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 4:31 PM Nils Andreas Svee wrote: > > On Wed, 2021-03-10 at 01:14 +0200, Jonathan Morton wrote: > > > On 9 Mar, 2021, at 10:20 pm, Dave Taht wrote: > > > > > > 10-20 flows, cubic, last I looked. It's ugly. > > > > I can't confirm CUBIC from here, but it seems to be 4-8 flows in > > parallel now. Latency to the national CDN is about 22ms over LTE, so > > it's hard to distinguish CUBIC from anything else in particular; in > > this range it would look a lot like NewReno. It seems to shut down > > each flow and start a fresh one after about a minute. > Seeing somewhere between 8-16 here I believe. IIRC I've seen you > mention being located in Finland, if so we're probably on the same > datacenter in Stockholm. > > The flows are probably not lasting long because the downloads are split > into chunks, which according to my logs are at most 1 MB. Patches seem > to work differently, those can be much larger (logs shows the largest > one the past months was 137 MB, depends on the game I assume). > > -- > Best Regards, > Nils > --=20 "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman dave@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729